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This is a discussion on Cymbidium Experiment within the **NOT IN BLOOM** All Genera forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Nice going Bill! cheers, BD...

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    Nice going Bill!

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    Wow the spike look so nice hoping it will progress very well.

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    I think that we have to be careful, saying -"earlier than mine" or "later than mine" for so much depends on location. Here in uk, standard cyms need cool nights in June and July, and new spikes are found in December /January, to open by March.
    But we don't see standard cyms any more . the growers who bred so many, and produced plants by the hundred thousand - gold medal winners at Chelsea for 40 years in a row, went out of business in the recession before last....cyms now mean nameless (although nice) smaller flowered smaller plants, from the plant factories of Holland ( aka The Netherlands) . I visited one of those factories a few years ago - 3 million square feet- growing 5million (?) plants, with a staff of just 17 people.... Taking single growth large seedlings, about the size of a pencil, and turning them into plants in flower with 3 spikes (cymbidiums) or 8 spikes (miltoniopsis) ready for sale in 15 months. All computer controlled , but what a fantastic standard of culture. I take my hat off to them.

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    Here in US mine and others I know who grow them spike with cooler temps in the autumn with bloom time in Feb/ March.

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    I daresay the cyms don't know which month it is, and respond to the yearly position of the sun and cooler temps at night. Most of them that we see in the big box stores around here show up in November and December, but I have no idea where they are grown. Then we have another wave, usually of the larger ones, in April or so.

    Cool nights don't hit Atlanta until end of October - we're about 6 weeks behind (ahead?) of the more northern climes. I don't know what effect, if any, the weaker sun and fewer hours of daylight have on them - of course, we're closer to the equator here, so maybe that compensates. I do know that one can grow them here and they stay outside except for the nights that go below, say, 45F. That said, the warmth-tolerant dwarf cyms are rapidly gaining popularity.

    I wonder why the mass production of cyms continues here and not in the UK.... I'd say the average cost of a 24-36 inch plant with 4 or 5 pseudobulbs and 3 or 4 spikes ranges around $30, which makes them just a bit higher than the competing gardenia plants, mini-roses, cyclamen, etc. The blue phals still top the crowd at $40!

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    Great arrangement, awesome plants and a fat spike! Great work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mauraec View Post
    I wonder why the mass production of cyms continues here and not in the UK.... I'd say the average cost of a 24-36 inch plant with 4 or 5 pseudobulbs and 3 or 4 spikes ranges around $30, which makes them just a bit higher than the competing gardenia plants, mini-roses, cyclamen, etc. The blue phals still top the crowd at $40!
    So do I, Maura - but I think I know the answer ; your growers have a large market to sell to ; we used to have that, because all our bigger gowers exported 90% or more of their production, but EU Rules, "interpreted" in gold plated versions by our eager Government bureaucrats , aka Civil Service,led to ever more complex rules and regulations and fees too , so that export of orchids from UK is now considered impossible. And the home market is not big enough to support an industry. In contrast, The Netherlands, also part of the EU and subject to the same over-riding "guidance" and instruction from the EU HQ in Brussels, but with a Government conscious that horticulture is their biggest industry ( 1/3rd of their GDP) grows ever more and exports to UK.
    The price for a decent (nameless) 3 spike cym' in the local garden centre is about £30 - which is about right - experience shows that the prices for things in USA and UK are often the same numbers, although one is in dollars and the other pounds - giving you a 30% (?) advantage...
    No I'm not a campaigner for Romney or Obama either - although I read about this with interest !
    We have had a mild - but cloudy, misty, foggy, wet spell for a month now ; proper winter is promised for the week-end - day temperatures down to single figures, and night down to minus 1, 2, 3... Perhaps not where I live by the coast , since the sea is a great temperature buffer. We'll see,

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    Actually they need the cool temp first three months before, i.e. late spring to initiate. Then when the shoots develop they need to have about a 20-25 degree swing between day and night. Exceptions are the temp tolerant or warm tolerant ones that don't need the temp drop

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    They show up in box stores because many are grown in CA and the coastal fog gives a nice cool night temp through the summer so they initiate in late spring and open by Nov

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    cymbidiums can grow outdoors year round here in southern California. nearly as common as phals in markets and home improvement stores. usually with NOID but a decent color range, and we get fall blooming, winter blooming, and spring blooming, and now they are making a few more summer bloomers too. they can handle some sun here, but not all day in the summer time. they fry. part of the timing involves temperatures and day/night lengths i think. you can 'force' them like bulbs sort of, but i find their natural rhythm gets thrown off, and it can take a few years to get them back on track again. but once they settle into a spot they like, they bloom every year like clockwork.

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