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A Taxing problem!

This is a discussion on A Taxing problem! within the Oncidium/ Intergeneric Information forums, part of the Frequently Asked Questions category; This past weekend with a great anticipation of several new orchids in transit, I took ...

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    Post A Taxing problem!

    This past weekend with a great anticipation of several new orchids in transit, I took some time to account for the plants I already had in my collection. One of favorite orchids of late, I discovered with some degree of frustration, was mislabeled. I acquired the plant from a local reputable nursery that offers quality orchids. The hand written, I guess, was a give away to the taxonomical identification problem I experienced. Simply it read Bllra. Black Beauty.

    I cannot find any Beallara online that even resembles a reasonable guess as to what the proper nomenclature for this plant is. Is this Beallara meant to be Bllra. Black Beauty "?" or Bllra. "?" 'Black Beauty'...? If anyone knows the orchid, it would be greatly appreciated helping clear up the taxonomy. Here the "?" is the possible omitted name

    As always, good taxonomy results in better horticulture, I should think....

    Thank you for reading,
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    Tim there is no registered Beallara Black Beauty but there is an Ondontocidium (Odcdm) Black Beauty

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    Tim,
    BD has the listings for abbreviations, I have found this very useful.

    OrchidTalk Orchid Forums - Grow Orchids! RVO's Orchid Genus Listing

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    Thanks for the replies!
    I am impressed by the comprehensive listing of Genera, abbreviations, and formulas that all seem to be carefully articulated. I already know that this listing will become a major reference for me in making sense of the complex names associated with many inter-genetic, non-naturally occurring orchids. Thanks for the tip, as I am found of taxonomical nomenclature.
    With regard to Beallara Black Beauty and with Ondontocidium (Odcdm.) Black Beauty; it seems that the image for the latter is not the orchid bloom I recall on the plant I purchased. It is, however, a very lovely plant. I wouldn't mind having that one in my collection too! But then we all say that about most orchids. (lol)

    That said, I cannot help but think that my so identified Beallara Black Beauty is really (1) a product of mislabeling a plant or (b) a label being accidentally switched with the proper orchid it identified, or its real signifier, in other words. I have searched again for any information linking a Beallara with Black Beauty, after checking out Ondontocidium (Odcdm.) Black Beauty. Nothing comes up with the flower that I recognized on this so-called Beallara orchid I purchased locally. Hopefully I can get it to bloom soon and quickly cross-reference the images. To my recollection, what I recall does not match Ondontocidium (Odcdm.) Black Beauty. I fear that this mystery orchid will go by the wayside as a generic Oncidium Hybrid, as I discovered there where two other plants in my collection sporting this vague name recently.

    Horticulturally I guess it is best to grew it under general guidelines for a complex Inter-genetic Oncidium hybrid? Is there much difference between growing a Beallara and an Ondontocidium? Other than the flower, is there any way two tell physiologically a difference between the two?

    Thanks for reading!
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    bummer about the mislabelling...

    i've noticed that within that particular grouping of plants, there's also a Tolumnia Black Beauty, which used to be called Oncidium Black Beauty.

    Also the following are orchids with the grex name:-

    Blc Black Beauty
    Brassidium Black Beauty
    Phalaenopsis Black Beauty
    Rodrettia Black Beauty
    Vanda Black Beauty

    and of course
    Paph Black Beauty

    look forward to seeing the plant in bloom... it sure makes it easier to ID them that way... although some hybrids are near nigh impossible to do so...

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    Post Does an orchid by any other name make it less beautiful!?!

    Many thanks for all the input here with regarding this mislabeled plant in my collection of orchids! I am sorry that I have not responded earlier to the latest post.

    What a shame that an orchid gets misidentified!

    I am certain that the mislabeled orchid in my possession is in fact a member of the Oncidium Alliance. The look of the morphological characters of the plant suggest that it is clearly a member of the complex inter-genetic Oncidiinae. So, with this in mind, the greater number of the orchids occurring with the grex name Black Beauty, which are listed in the latest post, can be narrowed down to a few. What is intriguing in the research is presented in the last post especially is the additional Oncidiinae orchids other than Ondontocidium Black Beauty 'Black Magic', a flower that I like because of its saturation, that the last post's research uncovered.

    Let me just touch base on these several possibilities:

    (1) Tolumnia (Oncidium) Black Beauty. I cannot find an image of this orchid online. Nevertheless what I know of the Tolumnia genus's morphology is that is noticeably different in character than other plants in the once larger Oncidium genus. Chiefly and tellingly, Tolumnia is what I recalled to be an "Equitant" Oncidium. It also is referred to as a "Variegata" Oncidium, as I have just learned. "Equitant" Oncidium orchids (Tolumnia) are physiological different than other Oncidium because they lack pseudobulbs. This point is key, because this mislabeled plant in my collection does possess significant pseudobulbs. In addition, the overall habit differs also from the plant in my collection, because Tolumnia forms a fleshy "tufted" loose fan of ranked leaves. The mystery plant in my collection does not share in resemblance this habit.

    (2) Brassidium Black Beauty. I found a citation to this plant but again no images to compare with the unidentified plant in my collection. I think this possible identification could very well be the plant, however, as morphologically Brassidium seems consistent with what the physical qualities of the plant in my collection. Also what I remember of the flower is too seemingly consistent with a cross between Brassia x Oncidium. What I need and cannot find is an image of the flower so as to make the connection. If any one is able to locate such a picture here I would be very appreciative. This reference seems to be a very promising lead.

    (3) Rodrettia Black Beauty. I am uncertain what this genus is because it appears to be a spanish (?) genus name. If the "Rodr" in Rodrettia is a reference to Rodriguezia, then Rodrettia apparently would belong to the Oncidium Alliance. That could be, therefore, a reference to a plant that I simply do not know that might be possibly the mystery plant in my collection. I did come across a Rodrettia Black Beauty, as posted above, in several places in a different language than english so it possible enough that I will not rule it out of question. Unfortunately I am not in the least familiar spanish, as my language skills have only be expanded to german and "botanical" latin. Yet, again, the key here is the plants inclusion in the Oncidiinae, because the mislabeled plant in my collection seems to be without doubt a member of the Oncidium Alliance.

    The coloration and form on the flower of the mislabeled plant, a spike/spray like so many Oncidiinae, is quite remarkable. Of the several flowering orchids I purchased immediately after my mother's funeral in March, my father commented the most on this one as being quite beautiful. So in that light I eagerly await it to bloom as well. The added advantage of the possible identification is a bonus to its beauty.

    Nevertheless, I have concern that I may never get this unidentified orchid to bloom! I am treating it as an intermediate growing orchid with similar cultural needs to other inter-genetic wonders of the Oncidium Alliance. It does have a maturing new growth on it that I hope will be promising. Of course I will keep the forum posted.

    In many ways my concern for the successful cultivation of this mislabeled orchid reflects my instincts that good taxonomy makes for proper horticulture. Often I include in my posts/threads a lot of taxonomical information. It is done so as to understand the plant well enough to successfully cultivate it. That is to say, my endeavors at (amateur!) taxonomy are horticultural knee-jerk responses.

    Moreover, as stated above, I really appreciate the input shared here on this post as well as the others. I think that whereas the first posts rules out the possibility of Beallara Black Beauty and suggested Ondontocidium Black Beauty 'Black Magic' instead; the last post offers a new direction in the manifest of a possible Brassidium Black Beauty. Lets hope we can uncover this mystery, as good effort has been displayed.

    Thanks for reading as usual.
    Tim

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    @Tim--
    There seem to be a few different varieties/clones of Odontocidium Black Beauty out there, try this one on for size: Odcdm. Black Beauty 'Black Fall'. It looks fairly different than the 'Black Magic" variety.

    In other news, I don't think theres an easily locatable pic of this Brassidium Black Beauty out there.

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