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NoID and No idea what, In Trouble

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    We were given the Orchid (see pic attached) It bloomed from March until around October when it got bud blast and dropped all its unopened flowers. We left it in sphagnum moss and thought we were so good at this Orchid growing story. Well I got a nasty shock today, it has developed a black like mould, and judging from previous pics has lost four leaves that I did not pick up.

    Question 1 what is it?

    Question 2 what do I do now apart from repot?

    Checked my other Ochid roots of all orchids in Sphag and got some nasty shocks. Overwater amature.
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    Your moss looks very wet, is it?

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    Looks like the sphag is too wet and the roots are rotted... Also, it looks like there's some sort of rot on the main stem and the base of the leaves. Can't really tell if the rot has progressed to the crown (the top of the plant where new leaves come out). A phal without a crown is a goner, though it can sprout a new keiki from the bottom. For now, you can pour hydrogen peroxide down the crown and the leaves. If the rot is still progressing then spray with a fungicide.

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    The crown spike is the nail in it's coffin

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    have a phal that had a terminal spike that rebloomed from side keiki. still everything attached. it wasn't rotten as this one though. looks like it is in the moss it came with - i would take it out and check the roots. cut and clean

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    Hate to say it, but a terminal spike is not a good think... I would take the plant out of the sphag, clean the roots, soak in peroxide for 10-15 min., leave it bare root on low light and hope for a keiki...

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    Good solid advice from Margo there.

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    Do you know what it is, as to me it does not look like a Phal, given the stem is very thick, and comes out of the centre of the crown, not the side? It also has three small leaves at verious places up the stem. I need to know if i should cut this off or leave it?

    I took it out of its moss (Begining to hate that stuff!) there are about 50 dead roots. There are only two viable roots one 3 inches long and one 1 inch long.

    I had a good look at the crown. the top leaf as in the pic above does not show any sign of rot, also the stem/crown although black on the outside is still very firm to the touch. One of the new roots has sprouted from above the black rot, so i have some hope.

    I think i have the answer to why it rotted. We moved to a new house where the light conditions are not as good as the old one. I think all of my Orchids have been staying in damp moss for to long, where it was not a factor at the other house.

    Off to buy perilte to mix with my fir bark to get them all out of the moss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by margo View Post
    Hate to say it, but a terminal spike is not a good think... I would take the plant out of the sphag, clean the roots, soak in peroxide for 10-15 min., leave it bare root on low light and hope for a keiki...
    Margo, would you mind to tell me what you mean by a terminal spike? is that a dead spike? meaning the stem from the middle of the plant.

    The plant has a long, what i would call stem 1.5 inches where it probably previously had leaves, which was inside the soil. this stem has the black rot on the outside. Unfortunately my camera will not take a focused pic of this stem.

    Thank you both for all your help. Much appreciated. My wife and I are determined to become better growers.

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    Businti, the terminal spike is exactly what you described : it is the spike that comes out of the centre of the crown and as Margo said it is not a good thing as it normally means that it is not going to continue to grow from the crown any more. It may put out keikis and that's the best you can hope for. Really good advice from Margo for the treatment of the condition your plant is in.

    And it definitely is a phalaenopsis.

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