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My attempt to save a Phal. Does it stand a chance?

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    Default My attempt to save a Phal. Does it stand a chance?

    A gal from work is always attempting to kill her orchids. We seem to do this little dance every few months were she brings me her sad one and I bring her back one that I have nursed back to health. I realize they will never thrive if she keeps trying to kill them but its sort a project for me. and I enjoy seeing them improve. So far this is the worst that it has been. (the other has new leaves and very healthy roots)

    When I got this guy it was super saturated. Drowning if you will. I trimmed off all the rotted roots. It has one little stubby root left, I'm not even sure this root will survive. I have washed in with peroxide to get the fuzzy mold off. And now I will attempt Spag in a Bag.

    Sphag in a bag
    -Clean off rotted roots
    -Soak plant in Root Hormone mix for directed amount of time (I will come back to this step once the Superthrive arrives)
    - Handful of Sphag moist (all excess water squeezed out)
    -Put them in a bag Phal not touching moisture source)
    -Place in shady warm area
    (I tried to take a picture of the whole thing phal, sphag all in the bag, but it just wont come out clear enough to be useful)

    I have ordered some Superthrive and plan on giving the phal a good soak when it arrives.

    Here is a picture of the one little root that it has left. Hopefully I will see some progress and be able to post and after picture.

    Please let me know if you have had tried this method and had any luck. Any tips and or pointers would be very welcome. I realize with all that black around its roots it may not survive but I figure its worth a try.
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    I have revived a plant that was in this bad of a shape doing what you are doing. It's a long road back to blooming, but it's definitely a learning experience...Good luck! If you have patience and can handle this sort of care, it can be a good start to building a collection inexpensively!
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    Sad to say, it probably won't make it. The roots are infected and probably the inside stem as well. With such a short stem that is uninfected, the probability of roots growing is very very slim. I would just toss it, if I were you.

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    Before you toss it I would give water culture a go if it was me. I have always wanted to see what would happen but I don't have any damaged / dying orchids try it with so so far I haven't given it a go. It could produce some new roots and then you might be able to repot it into bark after a few years or so. Just get a vase and place the roots in it and fill it up with water. Don't put the leafs in as well, just the root ball.

    http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchid...ture-save.html

    http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchid...ure-works.html

    Good luck!

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    Some rooting hormone could be used to increase the likelihood of root development. I would wet the orchid stem, then coat the entire stem with rooting hormone. It will take a long time for this orchid to get to blooming stage again, so be sure to get another orchid that is healthy to keep you in good spirits till them. (Maybe tell your friend that while orchids need water, their roots also need to be able to exchange gases - so go easy on the watering. )

    Hope all turns out well!!

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    I've saved some that looked that bad, but I've lost some too. It's worth a try. It will probably be a couple years or more before you get blooms again but, if you have enough space, go for it.

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    I agree that either way, it'll be a good learning experience. I would spray the black parts with some SA-20 or equivlent, to keep the rot in check, before starting the sphag n bag. I'd say chances are 70-30 in your favor, so go for it. I've got a little Dtps Queen Beer, that is the most amazing plant I've ever worked with. Its come back from being literally just a leaf, with a nub of a 'stem' once, and is currently mounted and still just one sm. leaf and stem nub, but not dead yet. I plan on starting a thread on it with a few pics once the outcome is known. Orchids are tough. They grow slowly and die slowly too!
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    In my opinion Phals are highly vulnerable at this stage and would expect the entire thing to rot and yellow first with leaves at the axils and then the crown and will be left with abit of scrub. Although moisture lovers at this point an enclosed humid enviro such as 's&bag would only promote the rot/fungi/bacteria esp since airflow has been significantly reduced. If anything a dose of hormone either as a soak - leaves and all or a powder covering. Leave it shaded and warm and ventilated and angled downwards. This little experiment for you will certainly help you see just how patient you are! Good luck and hope it bounces back for you.

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    Thanks everyone!!! I did let it sit out and dry up a bit for a few days, I put it in the bag about a week later and thats when the mold popped up. I may try just setting it above some sphag in a pot. Really cant wait for the Superthrive to arrive. Does anyone have any experience with this stuff. From what I have read people seem to like it. Is Dyna-Gro KNL a better product? I just bought the Superthrive because I could get it in a very small quantity... Maybe this should be a whole new post...

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    Hi evy, i too put a thread up for updated reviews of superthrive. Mixed bag really but there is alot of enthusiasm for it. As always, ask 10 orchid fans a question and no reply will be the same. It is basically a trial you need to observe to see the outcome. I found it partly beneficial? to a point where i wont bother again but I would not discredit it to others. Our grow environments are far to diverse and. Used it for much of the last growing season. Now seaweed extract is a growth/ health/ root promoter that i would reccommend having observed controlled results but yes I would have purchased superthrive again if seaweed extract wasnt around.

    Caution has been advised with overdosing as this has been said to disfigure leaves and flowers. One of my Laelia plants had distorted growth on new lead but can one blame a product??????its an experiment that should be more closely analyzed.

    For a rooting bath to soak whole plant I used 4 drops maybe 5 for a 2.5 ltr quantity. Once a week I applied it in spray with 1-2 drops per litre. My orchid mortality rate was less that usual and with a more intense approach to care many rootless victims responded well but not all.

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