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Dendrobium ailments

This is a discussion on Dendrobium ailments within the Orchid Ailments / The Compost Pile forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Thanks, i'll look into it Sorry for your losses Posted via Mobile Device...

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    Thanks, i'll look into it Sorry for your losses
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    I looked up mosaic virus test kids and it seems that this is more common among cymb. and ondon. orchids. Are those the only types or orchids affected or is that just the name the virus was given?
    The plant does seem to be getting worse instead of better, but no sign of critters. I was advised to give it a dry period which has been about two weeks. The newest growth looks mostly ok, but the plant has lots some older leaves and the largest new growth doesn't look happy. Should I just give up on this guy? Should I try to rescue the newest growth? I don't want to infect my other plants if it is indeed a virus. Everyone else seems to be doing just fine.
    Thanks in advance for all your help guys!

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    New growth typically doesn't express symptoms until it is older. Almost any orchid can become infected. I would get a test kit or two and test. Usually one test per plant. If you wat to ensure virus free, test all of them.
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    To top things off, one of my coworkers knocked it over yesterday. It did give me an excuse to cut off the more dead parts and make sure that it was deep enough in the media (I don't think it was before) but I'm not super hopeful for this plant. Turns out it's really hard to get those virus test kits in the states, at least from what I can tell...

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    of the 100s of orchids ive killed or been atleast part involved with loss, not encountered a virus..........yet?. But I DO have a great 'troubleshhooting' guide implanted in my head and well safe to say an expensive learning curve and many beautiful plants flourishing away and look forward everyday to a good potter, cottonwool buds at the ready and an ever increasing tabletop full of products. Atleast if im slightly dis orientated in the night and reach for the paracetomal ive probably also treated myself against fungal infection, a magnesium deficiency and a seaweed tonic......yum yum.

    fear mongering, panic and confliction of views is very easy indeed and so is mis diagnosis confused with advice and opinion.

    even with the updated photos ... the images would not and still dont indicate a viral presence to me, but ofcourse my opininon.

    i still stand by aforementioned and now with the 'after-the-bump' in motion i see good old fashioned 'noid' orchid with secondary illness as bacterial/fungal infection and a dash of 'Fusarium wilt'. Primary illness weakens plant and secondary (fungal or bacterial) makes a grand entrance. All to common sight and the fusarium , across between something we inflicted alongside abit of biological fungal doom.

    If theres one thing with orchids its the noid mass produced commercialised hybridised and 'gorgeous' plants
    without any trace of parentage, impossible to even start, insighting chance of genetic mutation etc etc etc.
    When we get it home we've knackered it out even more with another stressful acclimatize challenge. Luckily????? this is where our cultural enviro deficiencies are exposed and time to do some fine tuning. primary and secondary incidents should always be cross examined. Much like our children, sicck and elderly - a tad vulnerable. Many purchases this way end up all the same - 'is it me'? 'why does this only happen to me'? a very common occurence across growers, the only thing i ask is 'are we sprinkling salt in the wound or shovelling it in'? We care too much.!!!!!!!!!!! I cant understand why i get in trouble for throwing the sick elderly on the compost heap?????.

    i adore the 'i give up'? ,'throwing in the towel', 'ive had enough'? phenomenon, so common amongst growers of all plants. Quite a significant milestone actually as a hobby gets refined and specialised and not a single thought haunts us as we maybe tempted to mathematically calculate how much money we have composted, dumped or incinerated. Well if you do just think where whiskey or red wine ends up after weve indulged.

    Unless your collection is prized/valuable/special etc dont bother with test kits unless ones 1000 slipper species paphs phrags and cyprids share a crisis or share unusual suspect symptoms. A noid? half dead? dump it, otherwise more harmful pathogens and pests will join the party.

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    I tend to agree with you, opaline. I do grow prized specimine plants (yet) and I've had to toss a few plants that I've inadvertently killed while learning how to care for orchids. I guess I'm being stubborn with this one because it's my only den and it had finally started producing new growth. I think I've learned not to buy NOIDs from big box stores. NOID from a nursery is a bit different as they tend just to lose the tag. (not always but that's what I've found aroun here). Thanks for being a voice of reason - I'm pretty close to giving up on this guy. I think I stressed it when I repotted, and getting knocked over didn't help either. -sigh-
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    .............its so much better for growers to openly admit and offer bonus info on the subject of mortality rates being quite high during the settling in period (for us not the plant), having advantages of benefitting us all as mentally on a not so good note we can become quite close to being self conscious with frequent blows to our confidence and confused misguided self criticism logic and doubt. Its supposed to be a hobby motivating ourselves in the name of happiness and fulfillment not a dreaded (clear out the gutter)kind of task.

    I came to the same conclusion as you with purchasing noids from major commercial retail outlets, they all and do actually mean near enough all, struggle badly acclimatizing with the final resting place being in our grow area. Infact 'resting place' more applicable to burying the orchid 6ft under and saying a prayer. It was a puzzle at first, but as observation etc went by and any many and all indicated a 'vulnerable symptom' of bad culture and physical/ bio trauma (not always obvious either). With this primary infliction the secondary soon makes itself noticed. No different fom us as race/ species where our diff levels of tolerance eventually are pushed toooo far and a big strain on our mental health. Physical negative factors soon follow. Some are lucky but far outweighed by much less rewarding results for others. I stick to specialist vendors now - no hesitation as this subject and a few other disheartening eye opener problems running parallel, before and after have been examined, dealt with and used as applicable and establishing yet more orchid education.

    I would say most of my collection now have very few commercial mass produced runt noids orchids in residence and can quite accurately work out through comparsion, tracked purchase origin where the 'GOOD' stuff derives although the loss of these noids though was shockingly very quick, within 6 weeks range for some .no joke.

    If I walked into my grow room (artificial lighting now removed!! Yeh)...with a watering can my plants would scream in horror & hysterical panic shock and mimmick dodos launching off a cliff side not realising their wings are not designed for flight. duh! just balance. Have to grow mounted and avoid not pot rot

    Your welcome by the way, im sure youll reciprocate sometime soon. Quite suprising the quantity, operations and quality of info you can pick up while browsing site with member often unaware of the significant value of a single sentence.

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    Thanks for the kind words Opaline

    I also realized that there's a typo in my previous comment; in fact I don't yet grow any prized specimen plants. Silly phone...

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