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This is a discussion on Dead root debacle? within the Orchid Ailments / The Compost Pile forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Originally Posted by sand_tiger86 Because I'm an idiot, clearly! Kelly You are not an idiot. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sand_tiger86 View Post
    Because I'm an idiot, clearly!
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    You are not an idiot. There are many of us that don't get it right the first time. Life is an learning experience. Cheer up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angela View Post
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    You are not an idiot. There are many of us that don't get it right the first time. Life is an learning experience. Cheer up.
    I second that. See all those brown, crappy-looking roots in my vase? All evidence of massive screw-ups! Have you heard Thomas Edison's quote about success vs. failure? Someone asked him how he felt about failing 10,000 to invent the light bulb. He replied, "I didn't fail 10,000 times. I successfully found 10,000 ways that it wouldn't work." (or something to that effect...I may not have it quite right...but you get the idea!)

    Just think how elated you'll be when your vandas finally bloom for you!

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    yvonni, vase culture is exactly what you see in the photo. a fairly new way of cultivating vandas i think, where you plop the vanda in a glass vase with the roots dangling inside. every day you fill the vase with water, then a little while later dump it out. the idea being the roots are kept in a very humid atmosphere inside the vase. i think you keep a little water at the bottom if the plant does not yet have much roots, but you don't want the roots sitting in the water all day, or they would rot. people in dry climates are having success with this. i have not tried it myself, but find it very interesting since vandas are very difficult to grow where i live in this deseert climate. i have seen some people put the entire plant into a very large vase, and some where just the roots are hanging inside a smaller vase.

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    So Coeruleo , do you cover it like with sphag and bag ? or just sit it on top of the vase ? Yeah it looks interesting and I think I might have tried something like this before but with a phal that was sick and I covered it with a bag . Didn't know what I was doing at the time , was just trying anything to see if it worked .

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    Quote Originally Posted by yvonni View Post
    So Coeruleo , do you cover it like with sphag and bag ? or just sit it on top of the vase ? Yeah it looks interesting and I think I might have tried something like this before but with a phal that was sick and I covered it with a bag . Didn't know what I was doing at the time , was just trying anything to see if it worked .
    Nicole, you don't cover the plants. You just prop the vanda in the vase and let the roots dangle down. I've used some wire to secure my plants. I wrapped the wire around the base of the plants, then I wrapped the wire around the mouth of the vase to hold the plants in place. The vase themselves hold so much humidity that the roots have an ideal environment in which to flourish. Some people will actually find custom vases to set their vanda baskets in, then let the roots hang down into the vases, but I didn't see the need for the baskets. As long as the plants are secured in the mouths of the vases, they seem to be perfectly happy.

    I'm AMAZED at how easy this method is, and after literally struggling for months with these plants in my non-conducive environment, I'm more than thrilled that they're finally content. The roots are growing, the plants are growing... all is well!

    Oh, and I also put a microscopic amount of fertilizer in the water each time I fill the vases. I fill the vases every morning and let the roots soak for a good 20 minutes. Then I dump out the water and put the vases back out on the deck in a place where they will get some sun (but not enough to fry them.) Having the roots in the vases eliminates the need to worry about spraying them, and it's a lot less work. Oh, and it doesn't matter if the foliage gets wet when you soak the plants. If you soak the plants in the morning, the foliage will be dry by evening.

    It's really simple! Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions about how I'm going about it. :-)

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    Thanks guys for the explanation . Will do Jenn if I have anymore questions , thanks .

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    Quote Originally Posted by angela View Post
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    You are not an idiot. There are many of us that don't get it right the first time. Life is an learning experience. Cheer up.
    Well said, Angela!!

    cheers,
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    Jenn its really funny how you have come full circle. I think it started with the Vandas in a glass vase with some excessively wet media or wet balls or something, then I recommended you to just replace some of those wet balls with something like Leca that would stay drier, and then you went through all the possible potting ways and now you are back to the glass vase LOL.

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    I much easy way and also one that will save a lot of water will be use a hand held sprayer and just spray the roots until they are wet and dripping, avoid unnecessary handling of the plants in the long run, though it might sound cold of them, but they really don't like it.
    Quote Originally Posted by OrchidAddict View Post
    Nicole, you don't cover the plants. You just prop the vanda in the vase and let the roots dangle down. I've used some wire to secure my plants. I wrapped the wire around the base of the plants, then I wrapped the wire around the mouth of the vase to hold the plants in place. The vase themselves hold so much humidity that the roots have an ideal environment in which to flourish. Some people will actually find custom vases to set their vanda baskets in, then let the roots hang down into the vases, but I didn't see the need for the baskets. As long as the plants are secured in the mouths of the vases, they seem to be perfectly happy.

    I'm AMAZED at how easy this method is, and after literally struggling for months with these plants in my non-conducive environment, I'm more than thrilled that they're finally content. The roots are growing, the plants are growing... all is well!

    Oh, and I also put a microscopic amount of fertilizer in the water each time I fill the vases. I fill the vases every morning and let the roots soak for a good 20 minutes. Then I dump out the water and put the vases back out on the deck in a place where they will get some sun (but not enough to fry them.) Having the roots in the vases eliminates the need to worry about spraying them, and it's a lot less work. Oh, and it doesn't matter if the foliage gets wet when you soak the plants. If you soak the plants in the morning, the foliage will be dry by evening.

    It's really simple! Feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions about how I'm going about it. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloamey View Post
    Jenn its really funny how you have come full circle. I think it started with the Vandas in a glass vase with some excessively wet media or wet balls or something, then I recommended you to just replace some of those wet balls with something like Leca that would stay drier, and then you went through all the possible potting ways and now you are back to the glass vase LOL.
    Yep! You're absolutely right! My first attempt was in a vase with weird water-ball things. Well, that's when the roots first started turning brown. Then LECAs, and more roots turned brown and fungus grew in the LECAs, then I tried baskets propped up in pots with bark & LECAs...lost even more roots on that attempt. Added a humidifier and a fan...and my leaves started shriveling. Mounted them on cork and they were cooking and drying up. Now back to the vase...but with nothing in it this time!! And they're growing!! Even the yellowing, shriveling leaves that I was SURE would fall off have plumped back up and gone back to green!! This is nothing less than a small miracle in my opinion, and it just confirms how much this method really suits the plants!

    Thanks for following along with my vandas' adventures! I'm flattered that you remember all of my attempts! I'm super happy and have even gained enough confidence to order a Vanda Pachera Delight, which I've been drooling over for ages! I already have its vase ready for when it arrives!

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