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Odcdm St Anthony of Egypt with keiki - possible to save?

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    Default Odcdm St Anthony of Egypt with keiki - possible to save?

    hi all,
    in February or so I purchased a St Anthony of Egypt plant in marginal condition. It had several large bulbs with green leaves but all were wrinkled and not very happy looking.
    I repotted it (maybe not the best idea) and have been attempting to keep it alive but it is slowly declining. Also, a strange green bump it had at the top of one pbulb when I got it has turned out to be a keiki. Now I'm watching a brown spot creep up the side of this pbulb toward the keiki and wondering, how long should I wait until I cut the baby off, and what should I do with it when I do? Are either of the other two bulbs worth trying to save? It had very little root (mostly dark brown and old) and doesn't appear to be making any new growth anywhere except the keiki. Ever since the advice that my other oncidium group (shelob) was underwatered I have been misting the keiki's roots as well as the base of the pbulbs (and shelob and well everyone else, which my cattleya LOVES) almost daily except when I forget. seems to be helping it along but it still seems a little dry and rough even the brand new growth! Also, I soak all my orchids every 4-5 days depending on weather (when it was unseasonably super hot last week I was hand watering them generously from the top every other day)

    I've attached a photo demonstrating the keiki in particular and then another of the plant overall. It was sitting in its soak at the time (its not usually in the white bucket).

    Any advice or help would be very much appreciated, it wasn't in bloom when I got it obviously but they're supposed to be gorgeous flowers and I'd love to help it along.. I don't mind it taking forever as long as I can actually help it!

    Thanks!!

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    The keiki has enough roots to probably make it on its own. I'd surgically remove it now rather than let any chance of rot get closer. Just pot up the keiki and keep it in high humidity and it is almost certain to survive. Removing the keiki might help trigger new grow from the base, your best chance of saving anything else from the plant. Definitely worth trying.

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    I agree you can most likely save the keiki. One problem you may have is over-watering. It appears you are growing in moss which retains water and can result in rot. I havE had that happen to me. Any oncidium I have growing in moss gets watered once a week or even up to two weeks. Even in warm weather orchids being grown in moss shouldn't need watered every day. I would definately cut back watering or you may loose more of your orchids. Good luck and keep us posted as to how your keiki is doing. I love this one. The flowers are beautiful. I have a small division that I saved from an old plant that suffered rot. It has a small spike now and I can hardly wait for it to open.

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    Thanks guys! Any tips on removing the keiki safely? Is there an 'ideal' potting mix for the keiki as opposed to an adult orchid?

    re overwatering. The plant is actually potted in a bark media, although its one I didnt care for when I opened it up (finer than I had expected from the packaging). It has a thin layer of sphag moss on top for water retention because it tends to be quite dry here. I actually have another oncidium that was previously in great condition that has suffered from under watering hence trying to get my watering up a little. So far my baby phrag, baby paphs, baby phal and cattleya are doing great (the cattleya was a bit on the dry side also but since I increased watering overall the growths that were growing when I changed my schedule are all fat and shiny and look fantastic) Like I said the St anthony was already in sad condition when i got it and didn't have much root. I probably overpotted him too. Hoping one of these times I will get the trick of oncidium alliance - I love the flowers! I already lost a wildcat (colmanara or something like that?) to a brown rot... it took years to decline and die though so I don't think I overwatered it too much!

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    Rot was getting worse on the parent plant so even though I didnt have a pot and can't get one yet for a few days or more I figured I better take the keiki off. It came off with very minimal effort (held the leaf and twisted slightly and it just popped off, sort of like an almost ripe fruit) I soaked some sphag moss and wrung it out and put it in a plastic baggie to set the keiki in. out of the sun but still near the sunny window. hopefully it likes it while I can see about getting a pot and some decent medium for it. I'll see about finding a pot to put the couple non-rotted bulbs from the parent plant also and just discard the ones that look bad. There are two left worth taking a closer look at.. sadly just two And I'll see how they really are when I actually take them out of the medium.. of course.


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    Keep us updated on it's progress, please.

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    Just wanted to add real quick I did surgery on the mother plant today. The best looking green bulb (the basically upright one) actually looks like it had started to grow a new pbulb at some point that had dried up, but that itty bitty dried up pbulb had a healthy white root (TINY though) on it. Then the green pbulb thats all weirdly flopped over came off also, but it has a bit of a rot or mold spot on the side of it and no visible healthy so I am less hopeful about it. They both went in baggies with sphag also. well, both in the same baggie (NOT the one with the keiki), maybe not the best idea but that's all the sphag I had!

    I guess when I got this guy I totally overpotted him, the root mass was so small compared to the size of the plant. Won't make that mistake again, he might've done a lot better if I hadn't. oh well, live and learn I guess. I think in the future if I "feel" like repotting something I should wait a year then maybe it will be time Really though I repotted him because I was concerned about rot, I just thought he would have a lot more root, should have checked before buying him a pot.

    If I have the pbulb in sphag moss (damp, I soaked it then wrung it out) how long should it take to start growing roots if it's gonna? I did put cinnamon on where I cut them from the rhizome and on the damaged spot on the side of the one bulb, but did my best to keep it from getting anywhere else on the base of the pbulbs.

    I'll post back if anything changes. Thanks guys!

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    So last Wednesday (5 days ago) I got some bulk LECA from a local hydroponics store and put my keiki and one of the two bulbs I am trying to rescue (the one with one short tiny bit of root) in a S/H setup (plastic cups with LECA, put some holes around 1in from bottom of the cup) To begin with I put water only in the media. I put both cups on a small tray (incidentally still had gravel in it it was used as a humidity tray) and put a mostly clear plastic bag over the top to keep humidity in.

    A couple days ago I thought well, the keiki actually had some roots, and it doesn't have a bulb to draw from anymore, I should feed it. So I put a couple grains of my fertilizer (20-10-20) in the watering bucket and watered it up. Now today when I pulled back the plastic I am seeing this:

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    It is starting to grow a small amount of a white fluffy mold at the base of the plant around the roots. (The two pbulbs I pulled off the plant also developed this while in their bag with sphagnum moss so it was something on the plant itself already) Should I take the plastic off of it? (I have for now to let it get some air) Is there anything I can put on it to get rid of the mold without harming the plant? The bulb itself looks as fat and happy as I have seen it yet, even when it was still drawing from the plant it was chronically dry and never really plumped up (I'm sure it didnt help that the plant was dying underneath it!)

    I don't have any fungicides in the house that I know of, but I work about 3 buildings down from a hydroponics store and a couple blocks from several big box home and garden centers, so chances are I can pick up anything common that might help.

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