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Phal - Can this keiki be saved?

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    I may be wrong and I hope I am but it looks like the stem is whitening (or is that lighting?). If so its likely the whole stem will die off . I wish I had better news. Otherwise if I am wrong in what I am seeing and it is a lighting issue there is still a chance it may still develop roots. If I am right in what I am seeing then unfortunately I have encounted this before and it turned out to be a virus that spread up the stem first then killed off the rest of the plant. I really hope I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kspalding View Post
    I may be wrong and I hope I am but it looks like the stem is whitening (or is that lighting?). If so its likely the whole stem will die off . I wish I had better news. Otherwise if I am wrong in what I am seeing and it is a lighting issue there is still a chance it may still develop roots. If I am right in what I am seeing then unfortunately I have encounted this before and it turned out to be a virus that spread up the stem first then killed off the rest of the plant. I really hope I am wrong.
    No, you are not wrong. The base of the stem is whitening and seems to be dying. I was doing some research and found some info on others getting keikis on stems that were cut off and put in water after blooming. As the base of this seems dead, I am thinking that I might try cutting the stem above the dead area (below the keiki, of course) and putting it in a vase of water with some KelpMax and hope some gets into the keiki through the stem.

    I will probably also try a modified spag and bag on the keki itself. I don't have any other orchids in my master bath, so I may stick it in there - lots of humidity and it is warmer than the rest of the areas where I normally keep my orchids.. Poor little guy.

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    You will definitely want to perform surgery before the virus spreads to the keiki. I've never tried it with a keiki but I know when we sell orchid clippings we recommend our clients to place them in water with a small amount of sugar to help the clippings survive up to a month. I wonder if that would keep the stem long enough to help the keiki or not. Again never tried it so I am more than open to anyones opinion on this.

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    I would definitely try Kelp Max - I got some this summer and tried it on a couple of seedling currant bushes a friend mailed to me. They'd spent 4 days in the mail while our daytime temps were over 100 degrees and got here in sad shape. I was sure two of the five were gonners. I put them in water with Kelp Max, they all recovered and are thriving, I'm going to plan them outside any time.

    I've also used it on my orchids now and have seen some very promising results - for example my little Masdevalia was really doing poorly, I put it in S/H to see if it would like that better. It broke into two pieces, one has roots and a dead looking top, the other a living top and practically no roots. The dead top hasn't done much, but since I treated them all with Kelp Max, the other part (which was basically rootless) is starting two new shoots within a week.

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    The Kelp Max has done amazing things for my Vandas. The root growth is incredible. So, let's hope it helps the little guy put out some roots!

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    Kspalding, why would you call that a virus? Looks more like normal spike die-back. If a disease process at all, I would think maybe bacteria or fungus- not virus.
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    As I mentioned it was something that has been encountered in our nursery greenhouses. Normal die-back usually occurs after the plant finishes its cycle whereas the virus can attack out of the blue.

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    Not saying it absolutely is a virus but why risk it. I also understand that the stem could be dying because the plant is in distress. All I see in the picture is white and not the yellow that is usually present during natural stem loss.

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    I cut the stem above the dead area, soaked the stem and keiki in tepid water with KelpMax for about 30 minutes, then put the stem in a vase with the KelpMax water. I dried the little keiki well. This morning I moved it to my master bath where it will be a little warmer, not too bright and have humidity blasts several times a day. I may need to get it a little heat mat.

    Keep your fingers crossed for the little guy.

    With the mother plant, I sprayed well with Physan and trimmed dead roots on the top and also stuck it in the MB. We'll see if it survives.

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    Good luck, keep us informed as to how they are doing!

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    I waited too long to remove my keiki and it started browning. Just lost it yesterday ironically.

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