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I need advice with a chronic ill phalaenopsis

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    Default I need advice with a chronic ill phalaenopsis

    Hello everyone
    I received this phal yesterday as a gift. I am no expert but it seems obvious the plant has been sick for a long time. The leaves are firm to the touch but deformed and streaked with yellowish parts, it has to spikes, on one has a deformed flower, the other spike has normal shaped blooms with uneven coloring. I removed the central leaf because it had a brownish soft spot of rot. The roots look ok. Any ideas what is wrong with the plant?? I fear a virus infection??? I am weary of bringing the plant home. I also wonder what the growers thought about the plant letting it grow like this for years ant even selling it???
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    Although you can't diagnose a virus by visual inspection, the irregular color on the leaves and flower deformities raises the suspicion of viral infection.

    Keep it separate from any other plants you may have. If it is worth it to you, look up Critter Creek Labs, or Agdia virus testing supplies, test the plant. If it is not worth testing, time to discard it.
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    Clearly the problem has been long term, but the plant seems vigorous. That might argue against virus, but isolation and a virus test wouldn't be a bad idea. Without a virus test, I would say the plant should be discarded just in case

    If there is no virus...

    Based on just the flowers I would say it is worth seeing if they are normal on another flowering under good care. The leaf abnormalities could be from polyploidy or aneuploidy (extra chromosome or mis-matched chromosomes) or chimera (2 genetically distinct tissue types growing together in one plant). Neither is a necessarily a health problem, just ugly. Only you can decide if the ugly leaves alone is enough reason to get rid of the plant.

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    Well thank you for the advice. I have now way of testing it, I don't think a virus test for orchids exists in my country. So I will cut off the spike and keep in a vase until it lasts and the rest goes in the garbage. I feel bad about throwing away a gift but I am afraid of sickening the other orchids at home.

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    Hope it's not virus .... could be an infestation of Thrips but it's wise on your part to discard it.

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    I agree with PaphMadMan that it might be worth waiting to re-flower it and see what those new blooms look like. Just keep it isolated from other orchids.

    To my knowledge, viruses are not airborne, so as long as this plant does not exchange sap with another orchid (through cutting tools, injuries, etc), you might be able to keep it until you can figure out how to test it.

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    Thanks fro all the advice

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    I have a few phals without the center leaf and it can cause alot of problems. Did u buy it like that or did it happen while you had it? Anyhow, it can cause problems in the re-development phase. Its not impossible to regrow but can take alot of time and patience. The missing central leaf can be the cause of several things including the bloom irregularities and possible dropping of leaves around it. I hate to say it but discarding may be the most humane thing to do for yourself or continue caring for the plant as you would normally and hope for the best.....worse case, maybe it will shoot off a keiki and you can just start over.

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    Oh and disclaimer alert. What growers think when selling this is I hope it finds a good home with someone who will know what to do. I sell plants like this sometimes to hobbists. However, when I sell it is usually informed and the customer knows what to expect. You might be surprised at how many people are looking for a project. The seller should have been more informative before selling true but the dishonest sellers tend to target the ones who are looking to buy cheap if they can move the product they will. Fortunately you have us here to provide the info the seller should have

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