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Sunny, Frozen, Southern California

This is a discussion on Sunny, Frozen, Southern California within the Orchid Ailments / The Compost Pile forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; I hate losing my plants, but it's nothing compared to the misery suffered by those ...

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    I hate losing my plants, but it's nothing compared to the misery suffered by those with really bad weather. I hope all mends soon. I've lived without power before and it's miserable!

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    Sorry to hear about your Cyms, Diane. They only plant I had outside did freeze on me (a rather large Rosemarinus officianarum)..it'll probably come back..

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    I feel for you folks suffering with the unusual weather. I really do. I HATE COLD!!! An NBC report is blaming el Nino for your trials. So this is weather and not climate. And as bad as this is, if el Nino doesn't subside, the drought that should hit the southern tier of states east of Texas this summer will be horrible. I wonder if global warming will cause this to happen more often?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark V View Post
    So this is weather and not climate. And as bad as this is, if el Nino doesn't subside, the drought that should hit the southern tier of states east of Texas this summer will be horrible. I wonder if global warming will cause this to happen more often?
    Ah, but El Nino years make for a milder Atlantic hurricane season. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. But many climatologists speculate that global warming will probably increase hurricane intensity (not necesarily number). So what can one hopes for depends on where you live, I guess.

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    But what we humans tend to forget is that 'Global Warming' is part of the earths natural cycle. Of course, the earths cycle is measured in 1000's of years... In another 10,000 years we'll be in the middle of another ice age..

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    Glad I won't be around THEN! I hate being cold (hence the FL address). Had a fire going night before last. It got down to 35. Brrrrr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    But what we humans tend to forget is that 'Global Warming' is part of the earths natural cycle. Of course, the earths cycle is measured in 1000's of years... In another 10,000 years we'll be in the middle of another ice age..
    I don't claim any, repeat any expertise on global climate shifts. I am just a news paper, Science, Discover, National Geographic and etc. channel junkie. The folks (dendrochronologists, geologists, climatologists and the true weirdos who like to crawl around the North and South poles studying ice layers) who have spent a life time studying climate shift seem to be unanimous that the present warming trend is unprecedented in its speed. The pace of the change is the problem. It would be a shame if a third of the Netherlands, a quarter of Florida, a bunch of Bangladesh and all of the Maldives were to slip beneath the waves in little more than a life time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark V View Post
    I don't claim any, repeat any expertise on global climate shifts. I am just a news paper, Science, Discover, National Geographic and etc. channel junkie. The folks (dendrochronologists, geologists, climatologists and the true weirdos who like to crawl around the North and South poles studying ice layers) who have spent a life time studying climate shift seem to be unanimous that the present warming trend is unprecedented in its speed. The pace of the change is the problem. It would be a shame if a third of the Netherlands, a quarter of Florida, a bunch of Bangladesh and all of the Maldives were to slip beneath the waves in little more than a life time.
    The pace may change, and humans play a part in it no doubt.... but all those places were underwater before... we impact nature, but we really don't know how much is us and how much is just what the planet is gonna do. Besides - how do we decide how much we should 'undo' - if such a thing were possible?

    uh, oh - I'm starting another debate!!!

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    And if humans are also part of the planetary evolution, why are the changes we create 'wrong'? Don't get me wrong, I am very opposed to damaging our precious world.
    As another view, who is to say invasive species (water hyacinth, austrailian pine, walking catfish, etc.) would not have populated areas eventually. Maybe not here but somewhere? Although I agree that native species should be preserved, when did most of them become 'native'? What time frame decided that criteria? Many indiginous species were carried in from other places long ago and resulted in repopulating an area and wiping out who knows what. Why should we eradicate invasive plants and animals (either human introduced or naturally introduced) because they bring environmental changes? Because those changes are unacceptable to our idea of what the environment should be in any particular place. The major goal of humans controlling environmental evolution seems to me to be the betterment of human living conditions with nature taking a back seat, and only lately has the common man realized his impact on the nonhuman part of this world.
    We must be very careful in our 'undoing' and 'correcting' also. Look what happened with Kudzu. Introduced as an ornamental in 1876 and later employed by the Soil Consevation Service for erosion control, it has taken over the south. So, yes, we should limit our human impact on the environment in my opinion, but as we are part of the evolution of this earth, how and how much?
    Our world is not a stagnant vessel, changes are inevitable. That is my point, but I will agree that the human factor accelerates and alters the pace and direction of change. I believe we are tasked with the need to reduce human destruction and encourage conservation - whatever the species. Except kudzu. Oh, and hope that orchids take over the world.
    Ok, my soapbox tipped over. Thank goodness!
    Well, Mark and Diane opened the door .

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    Before I get into it I want you guys to remember I am a DOG person. I am a life long member of PETA (People for the Edible treatment of Animals).
    Change is inevitable, Tmai. We just have to be ready for it and willing to pay the tab, particularly if we are at fault. If the "experts" are totaly correct that the current climate changes are caused by burning hydrocarbons that would have remained locked in rock, then shouldn't those that profited hold themselves responsible? Will America be moraly responsible enough to take in 25% of those whose lives were wrecked by the changes? Even when we don't mean to harm, if we cause the damage we should fix it. Those who aren't willing to take responsibility for their actions are degenerate in my opinion.
    I agree the highest good is the preservation of my species: Humankind forever is my creed. Anything we do should further man's advancement. So we better not screw up the planetary environment that keeps us alive. All of us have migrated to where we are on Earth bcause our forebearers liked the lay of the land when they got there. Anything we as people do to mess up the lay of that land, to make it less survivable is a botched job. It may take thousands of years for mankind to emigrate to other planets and increase the survivability of our species. The sooner that happens, the better. Why gamble with all our eggs in one basket.
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