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This is a discussion on Sunny, Frozen, Southern California within the Orchid Ailments / The Compost Pile forums, part of the Orchid Culture category; Originally Posted by Mark V Will America be moraly responsible enough to take in 25% ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark V View Post
    Will America be moraly responsible enough to take in 25% of those whose lives were wrecked by the changes?


    Actually, the USA provides more than 40% of all aid to countries in the world....

    Even when we don't mean to harm, if we cause the damage we should fix it. .
    You have to define what is 'damage', and then accept the fact that we don't know how to fix a lot of things. It's sad, and sometimes frightening, but you can't stop everything and set back the clock. We need to be smarter going forward, both about what we do and how we do it. We are part of nature, which means it was inevitable that we would take hydrocarbons out of the rock and use them widely before realizing their impact. We are probably doing something else just as damaging now that we haven't figured out yet.

    But orchids taking over the world is not too bad - - - as long as none of the STINKIES grow around my place!!



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    Diane, the 25% number wasn't refering to foreign aid but the world percentage of hydrocarbons we burn for energy in the US. So if hydrocarbon burning drives the present surge in climate change, it would be fair for us to pick up a quarter of the tab to help set things closer to right.

    I hope everyone realizes this is a tough situation (almost a catch 22) for business. So it takes govt. leadership (yeah right, in this age of poll and contribution driven politics) and a supportive population (yeah right. Can you say SIG little Johnny?). Getting the world's most finicky orchid to bloom in profusion is child's play compared to this problem. And don't even get me started on US foreign aid...Largest single recipient: Israel which gets 2.1 billion bucks a year to buy weapons from the US, and 650 million bucks to support their economy. And I am a true believer in the separation of church and state...and...and...and.... (Vigorous ranting is sooo cathartic. Ahhh.)

    Hey, the warming is real. Its consequences will be real. An intelligent plan to attenuate (sp?) the consequences must be found soon and it must be multi-faceted so that all over the world ; the rich can stay rich, the workers stay working and the politicians can keep getting re-elected. Or else my grandchildren will look me in the eye and say, "Damn you old man. Look at what you and your generation did to me!"

    I hear your Ca. grape, apple and stone fruit growers are delighted with the cold snap. Tis an ill wind.....

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    I'm glad the ranting is cathartic... I won't keep baiting you, but I will clarify - the 40% figure is not just US Govt. aid, but the money given by all US citizens as well.

    And I was told yesterday that a certain volcano is putting out more hydrocarbon pollution each year than all the vehicles there are...

    Okay - you can rant some more....

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    Not sure how to jump in on the hydrocarbon and foreign aid discussion but the main difference in my mind between the hydrocarbon impact of human production and of natural production is that humans have the ability to choose what impact we have on the environment. Only problem is, as Diane mentions, is that we have to be careful not to creat MORE problems by dealing with the ones we have now.
    Bottom line is people (especially goverments, politicians, and 'supportive populations') are so resistant to change you can see the claw marks in the melting ice caps. Everyone wants to protect his little piece of what he has and get a little piece of what you have and let 'other people' worry about global warming (can you say Hummer?). I'm just as guilty as the next person.
    Say, wonder if we can make the volcano pick up part of the tab? I'd love to see the politicians try to collect.....
    To quote a poster on the Tidefans forum: Save the earth; it's the only planet with scotch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tmai View Post
    Save the earth; it's the only planet with scotch.
    Now THAT is worth saving!! LOL

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    Whoa - nice save, Tami! Just quit building my space ship.

    McInSearchOfSingleMalt

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    I was very relieved to get a phone call that my grandson had made it back to his college in MO about 2 hours ago. He hit almost everything mother nature could throw at him on the way from So CA. It took him an extra day of driving time. He also encountered an irate trucker who tried to hit him with a baseball bat when he stopped for gas. Didn't know why. But other truckers came to his rescue. I'll bet his guardian angels are tired after sitting on that steering wheel for 3 days.

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    Prayers for his safe home, Katie! Tough conditions bring out the ugliness in many people.

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    Whew! I'm glad he made it back safely, and I'm glad that you and his parents can breathe again. Kids--you have to let them go and live their own lives--but what a price you pay when you do!

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    Scary. I am glad he made it there safe, Katie.

    Cheers,
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