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Cirrhopetalum zamboangense

This is a discussion on Cirrhopetalum zamboangense within the Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Love it and that last photo is great....

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    Love it and that last photo is great.

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    Hi Ron, here is a digital image of Cirrhopetalum zamboangense; I'm sure you already have this on your computer, but other forumers might be interested to see this too:

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    Please take special note of the shape of the stelids and the length of the petals relative to the space between the bases of the lateral sepals- also the length and distribution of the petal hairs- then compare these to the flowers on your plant.

    Man, why do I get the feeling that I'm the only one who takes notice of these nuances...

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    hi Wally, thanks for pulling it up, i thought you might have another sheet.

    so again, the column wings are a 100% match, just like the drawing, rounded with 1!!!! tooth as seen on my close up, only that the artist placed it on the lower round section or he simply put it upside down, or is it a variation???
    now as for the petals, imagine you would pull out those, then you would get the length and hairs. i dont know if plants sometimes flowering with the petals exposed or they pop out during its wilting stage.

    i will also attach 2 drawings of C.sibuyanense, where i cant see any roundish column wings and the petals are much shorter, not exceeding the base of the laterals.
    so, how can your plant be this species then?
    and note, the lateral sepals are drawn somewhat flattened with 2 pointed apices.

    till then...
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    Wow this discussion between Wally and Ron is very educational....

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    Hi Ron, my own examination of numerous examples of Cirrhopetalum sibuyanense shows that the stelids are always rounded but not always notched, as in the type specimen. However, three other traits are consistent: the connate lateral sepals (they are flattened on the drawing, since on dried plants it is not uncommon to flatten out the flower parts), very long peduncles and the pair of tubercles at the base of the lip- this latter character is easily seen on the drawing you have attached.

    I'd like to be more careful with C. zamboangense, since this is apparently a rare species, and as you probably have noticed, there are no flowers left on the type sheet. In short, we do not have an idea about its variability. For one the flowers are red, whereas your flowers are purple. Also, the stelids of this species is truncated (squared-off) with dentate edges (vs. rounded in your plant), with very long petals. And because of the apparent petal length of C. zamboangense, don't you think that if they are enclosed within the space between the lateral sepals, then they would stick out like sore thumbs and hamper pollination (especially with those long cilia which would act like a fence)? The only character of your flowers that agree with C. zamboangense are the connate lateral sepals, and that is not enough to identify a species from the next.

    I guess the only way to settle this is to get your magnifying glass and examine the lip bases for presence (or absence) of tubercles, then post a photo here (a photo of the column seen from the sides would also be very helpful). I am not saying that your plant is C. sibuyanense 100%, since I haven't seen the details yet, but I am 100% sure that what you have is not C. zamboangense.

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    Wow that is pretty, Ron. Great color on a wonderfully orchid! Love all the blooms!

    Cheers,
    BD

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