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Zygopetalum 'Rhein Moonlight'?

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    Default Zygopetalum 'Rhein Moonlight'?

    This beautiful zygo-type SEEMS, from research I've done, to be a hybrid - whether a species hybrid or not, I don't know - from a German nursery. That nursery identifies it only as "Zygopetalum 'Rhein Moonlight' Patented". I can't contact them directly because I'm not a wholesaler, so I've yet to nail this thing down. Research I've read says it hasn't appeared in the RHS Registry yet, but that may be out of date. I saw a thread on this very plant in this very forum, but it provided no more info than I have, so.... Watchin' the (orchid) detectives (again) .... Sorry, Elvis C. - couldn't help myself.

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    All the usual gratitude -

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    I bought a zygo hybrid yesterday but lilac and violet, burgundy and lemon green colour and noticed with yours that they share the same compact thickish type flower spike but leaves are still long. In the garden center it was love at first sight but its very awkwad to place at home to show off the blooms and look in place and tidy. Yours looks much more shapely and even.

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    I wished I could grow them...mine is just hanging on by a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdayinflorida View Post
    I wished I could grow them...mine is just hanging on by a thread.

    I already sent the first one I had packing into the great blue yonder. RIP. But it came with rot, so I hope to keep this one on better shape. At least I've been able to keep the buds from blasting.

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    This is a hybrid. It is not registered, has not won any AOS awards, at least in my research. The clue may be in the word "patented". YES, you can patent a hybrid, this protects the maker of the cross from any other grower making or mericloning it. So you make the cross, register it in the patent office with a fancy name and nobody else can sell it ! No awards can be given because the parents must be disclosed. and the name of the parents are protected under the patent laws. Not easy growers mind you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jose R. Nieves View Post
    This is a hybrid. It is not registered, has not won any AOS awards, at least in my research. The clue may be in the word "patented". YES, you can patent a hybrid, this protects the maker of the cross from any other grower making or mericloning it. So you make the cross, register it in the patent office with a fancy name and nobody else can sell it ! No awards can be given because the parents must be disclosed. and the name of the parents are protected under the patent laws. Not easy growers mind you!
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    Hi Jose -

    Yeah - I got all that in my research. The same nursery has at least 2 others named 'Rhein' something or other that are either designated as patented, or patent pending. I have 3 questions for you:

    1) Wouldn't disclosing the parentage make this hybrid both register-able and therefore award-able and therefore more valuable?

    2) They won't allow contact by individuals, but if they're wholesaling these plants to retail outlets, is it possible that THOSE retail nurseries would have or be able to get the parentage details?

    3) Have you seen the old thread in the Phal et al, IN BLOOM forum about the "Galeopetalum 'Rhein Moonlight'? The thread is old - from 2008, but maybe there's a way into all this using a more accurate name ? (And from my research, I think it is.)

    I don't know much about big commercial orchid nurseries, especially German ones, and their m.o. for making a profit, but how does keeping the parentage secret turn into profits for them? I know keeping their recipe secret maintains a "monopoly" on this particular plant, but, come on, this is the 21st century - it can't be that hard to untangle the DNA on this stuff for all the rocket (I mean, horticultural) scientists out there. It's a very attractive orchid and, grown really well, could well qualify for an AOS, or ASO (whatever the Australian one is) award. I must be missing something here....

    Maura

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    These people are not orchid people, they're commercial pot plant people. Registering the hybrid is just another cost and inconvenience. Hell, they may just have found a plant they thought would be commercially viable and propogated it. Their primary standards may be ease of growth and flowering. By patenting this clone, they have protected themselves from commercial propogation by another company. I looked at the website of one German propogator and checked a couple of Phalaenopsis clones they listed for sale. Not only were the names not registered, but in at least one case, it duplicated the name of a much earlier and very different registered hybrid. If you don't mind, would you PM me the name of firm you found?

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    I would be happy to. And you might want to look up Galeopetalum 'Rhein Moonlight' as well. I suspect that may be the key here. The blooms on this plant are at least twice the size of any species zygos I've seen.

    Look for the PM.

    Thanks,
    Maura

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