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This is a discussion on Catasetum species within the Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Hi Ian as I promised to you now this species already opened almost about a ...

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    Hi Ian as I promised to you now this species already opened almost about a week with strong spicy fragrance, would be very happy if can get the ID. 3 times blooming in my hand.
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    Very nice Cstm. Hope someone can ID this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainal abidin View Post
    Hi Ian as I promised to you now this species already opened almost about a week with strong spicy fragrance, would be very happy if can get the ID. 3 times blooming in my hand.
    Hi, En Zainal, well sorry couldn't help you here either.
    at first glance i thought it was ctsm spitzii but i know it isn't because even your blooms are telling me it's the wrong ID because their mouth are way too wide open to be missed another closed hit i could get is ctsm lucis but again no "mouth" hahaha...they must be really laughing now.
    i hope someone could ID this for you too cause i am dying to see what it is either. i thought i had seen enough aliens from this catasetum genus, but this one is beyond the radar.
    i scrape through catasetinae photo compilation and also IOSPE (at first i dirt happy to find an exact match in the latter but only to notice it was posted by you and labelled there catasetum sp. Columbia).
    by the way, are you sure it is 100% a species catasetum? or maybe a natural catasetum hybrids that have been accepted into catasetum species?...like for the ctsm xtapiriceps or ctsm roseo kind of thing?

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    abd by the way En Zainal, may i ask for your permission to cross post your pic in other forum to look for a possible ID? will only do that after you granted your permission. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by catasetum-ian View Post
    abd by the way En Zainal, may i ask for your permission to cross post your pic in other forum to look for a possible ID? will only do that after you granted your permission. thanks
    Sure no problem go on.
    By the way immediately when I received the plant I thought was Clowesia but was told by the vendor was Catasetum from Columbia new species, look at the two fang inside the labellum very long and unique and strong fragrance.Thanks Ian for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainal abidin View Post
    Sure no problem go on.
    By the way immediately when I received the plant I thought was Clowesia but was told by the vendor was Catasetum from Columbia new species, look at the two fang inside the labellum very long and unique and strong fragrance.Thanks Ian for your help.
    initially one of my thoughts was a Clowesetum as well due to the appearance of the lateral and dorsal sepals. trigger pollinia of catasetums can be short or long depends on the species and can be parallel (isoceras) or crossing each other (anisoceras).

    sorry En Zainal, no luck from the others as well. still the same feed back "never seen this before" or "are you sure 100% sure it is a species?" will update if i had any luck.
    by the way, i did come across this post, you can have a look at the labellum, they share close similarities to yours but in that particular post it is labelled as ctsm sanguineum which is definitely wrong. however, the catasetum jumbo series do have labellum with similar structure.
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    Hi Encik Zainal,
    i got a reply from one of the catasetum gurus....

    I have discussed it with some friends in the past and we tend to disagree that this is an species from Colombia (or anywhere else!) My thoughts are that this is a Clowesetum (general form of flower and plant)... not a primary hybrid as they tend to have no (or just very short) antennae, which in this plant are very pronounced.. however, back-crossing Clowesetum to Catasetum can give these results...

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    Gotta love these GREEN orchids! And it's also fragrant...I don't care what the name is...I love it! Betty :-)

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    additional input
    By the way, in the catasetum forum they also thought of Clowesetum, but two agreed that if your friend is 100% sure the plnt is from Colombia, it could be a hybrid between ochraceum x saccatum However, no one has ever seen this cross...

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