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Encyclia Phoenicea

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    Default phoenicia - cordigera

    IOSPE shows the type for the species (phoenicia) as having a probably larger and a bit more starry shape, meaning longer and narrower petals and sepals ( = tepals) which are green , with reddish veins, not solid colour ; and the lip is a bit frilly around the edge. Jay also shows a yellow form. Colour is not decisive when allotting species names because of the variability often found , and anyway, a lot of Encyclias have this same basic flower shape , so one has to look closely at the shape differences.
    I have several plants of cordigera, and whilst the flowers are generally similar to these, I can easily distinguish. I also have phoenicia but ex-flask a year or two ago so not yet flowered.
    Cordigera is a very worthwhile plant btw; the common form is the alba, with chocolate tepals and a white lip, but there is also a rosea form worth searching out and IMHO a much better buy - my plant is in very early spike and I hope to show it to you in a few months.
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    thank you very much for all the info, very informative.Look forward to your pictures.

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    Here is a picture with finally all 4 flowers open. Hope you like it

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    I like it very much but still think it is Encyclia cordigera, ( dark form) !

    I'll try and dig out Carl Withner's books ( The Cattleyas and their Relatives" and seek out the taxonomic differences tomorrow,

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    Gabriela .. great growing. It is very lovely!

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    Thank you Cathy.

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    Having grown enc. cordigera & enc. phoenicea, I have to agree with both Michael & Geoff that this flower is a cordigera. Beautiful, with wonderful fragrance...I believe that the nursery made an honest mistake.....No matter as it's quite beautiful! Betty

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    thank you, look forward to what Carl Withner's book is saying.

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    I looked this up, as I said. I am interested partly because I have a similar plant, bought as Encyc. Cordigera, forma rosea, and I want to know if that is correct for these two, or are they Encyc. Phoenicea, or maybe one of each.
    Withner – The Cattleyas, etc Vol V., P103 “The large lipped Encyclia – E.cordigera says in the middle of p104 that” A characteristic of the flowers is that the tips of the petals and sepals curl forwards, and their apices are marked with green nectaries” – all of which I can see in your picture Gabriela. What is said about the colour is also spot on – “the lips varying from… to deep , almost fluorescent, concolor, rosy magenta”
    These plants incidentally come from the mainland, from Mexico through to Belize and possibly Brazil.
    Vol IV of the same set, which deals with theBahaman and Caribbean species, says of Encyc Phoenicia that it is named for its fleshy maroon purple sepals and petals ( not lip) – Phoenicia being the place the Roman Emperors went to in order to buy the Imperial Purple dye for their robes, apparently . The lips “varying from white to violet with darker venation” . No darker venation on your lips , and not in that color range – rather they are concolor rosy magenta ( in my eyes) . The petals and sepals are not said to have in-turned tips ( nor illustrated as such although lips that curl under are mentioned ( again your lips don’t do this ). These flowers by the way have “ a wonderful strong fragrance of vanilla and chocolate, If you are a chocoholic, it will set you on edge”
    E.phoenicia comes from The Bahamas and Cuba by the way. From the sound of the scent it’s one I want !
    But IMHO your plant is cordigera not phoenica, but you can label it however you want of course ! But I will be interested to hear what you say about its scent.

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