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This is a discussion on Aerides odorata within the Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Originally Posted by wuness This may not be the proper place for the following comments, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuness View Post
    This may not be the proper place for the following comments, and I certainly don't want to hurt any feelings. Especially since I don't know the details of the situation or anything about the culture of the countries involved.

    That said, I always feel uncomfortable reading stories like this. Orchids are in decline around the world for a number of reasons. I suspect two of the chief reasons are expanding populations and climate change. I have read on a number of occasions that a contributing factor to the decline in many areas has been the collection of wild orchids (legal or otherwise) and their subsequent sale along the streets, perhaps in small stands, to resident and vacationing passerbys. There have also been occasions where rare orchids, illegally collected, have been placed on internet auction sites. Believe me, I can appreciate the temptation to purchase unusual orchids at very low prices. I also understand the importance of these sales in supplementing the income of some families. And I fully acknowledge the difficulty in knowing whether an orchid is collected in the wild or grown in a nursery.

    Still, when I read of stories like this, I can't help but imagine the pressure placed on orchid populations resulting from large numbers of individuals, acting over generations, collecting wild orchids for sale in this manner. (And this says nothing of the manner of collection: perhaps cutting an entire tree down to collect a plant.)

    As I say, I'm an outsider, but stories of this sort always strike a nerve with me. I just had to get it off my chest. Sorry for the rant.

    wuness

    P. S. I also have this species, which was purchased from a reputable orchid nursury. It won a blue ribbon in its class at our recent show.
    We aren't talking US here. These are folks that no matter what are going to collect orchids to sell. These aren't your average 9 to 5 people. This is the difference between sugar, flour and nothing. The simple fact is that much of these plants are coming off of trees that have been downed for wood for fires.

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    Wuness, I fully support your reasons and I also agree with you Cathy. The temptation is so great when plants sold at low prices and even more tempting when the plants are not easy to find anywhere. To me, the native people are doing what they have been doing since time began-the jungle is the source of food, now income. I know from experience that if the plants not sold, they will be left unattended and died. I once brought back 2 big clumps of Cymbidium atropurpureum that was thrown behind the hut simply because some leaves turned brown. 1 clumps was given to a collector & the other still with me-thank God . It's the over development that I worry & orchid poacher that I hate so much...

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    Bravo. Cathy. Well said. I was mulling over the reply, but coming from a person living in a developing country would sound very much like excuses rather than explanation,. I'm glad that you Cathy have such an excellent understanding of people living in our part of the world.

    I agree with Abiom's re selling of jungle produce including orchids by the native people.

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    I've read stories about the Aborigines or Orang Asli. I think that these are the peoples that collect from the jungle to sell. Without that little income from firewood and plants they would have nothing. These are folks that live in huts without our advantages nor the advantages of most Malaysian people.
    Having a plant awarded here in the states would mean nothing to them. I don't think they could fathom the entire concept. Not because they are unintelligent.
    I don't have any problems with people doing what they have to do to get by. I still don't think these are the folks that are depleting the forest. We, civilized people are destroying our world as each of us know it. Our greed for more. More, building, more oil, more land for factories to in fact add more pollution to the atomsphere. I think that the few natives standing on the side of the road waving plants is not going to make or break orchid populations. If we are really worried about the rain forests we need to curtail all of our wants.

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    You are so right Cathy! Let me also say that there are probably more people in this country who would defend this wasteful all consuming lifestyle than would defend the real sources of their liberties or a hopelessly overtaxed enviroment. AL

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    And I mean that in a very kind way, Dave. I don't want you to think I am picking on you in the least. And I welcome your response if you choose. I'm glad you are here and please don't consider yourself an outsider. You are among friends.

    ...and congrats on your award.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdayinflorida View Post
    And I mean that in a very kind way, Dave. I don't want you to think I am picking on you in the least. And I welcome your response if you choose. I'm glad you are here and please don't consider yourself an outsider. You are among friends.

    ...and congrats on your award.
    Ditto the above sentiments, Dave. We are a very diverse lot here and some of us do hold some very strong opinions on certain things but that has never hindered our relationship with one another, for we are all bonded by our common love of all things orchid. So, looking forward to more posts from you.

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    As a former Biology instructor with a background in ecology, I am familiar with the points you have raised (and acknowledged them in my original comments). I have a profound reverence for all of nature and your comments, Cathy, about "civilized people are destroying our world" are right on target. William Least Heat-Moon in his book "River-Horse: A Voyage Across America," said it for me. I paraphrase, "Individuals trained in ecology are doomed to a life of frustration." Take my original comments as an expression of my frustration over the ongoing destruction of the natural world.

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    Great discussion guys! Certainly livened up my morning! Always nice to read and learn from differing points of view but I think there is one thing we can all agree on..we all LOVE orchids!

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    Lovely blooms Abiom. How long has this been with you before the first bloom?

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