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Who can name my intergeneric vandaceous miniature? Asco ? Vasco ? oher ?

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    Default Who can name my intergeneric vandaceous miniature? Asco ? Vasco ? oher ?

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    Flowers perhaps one inch spread - more than 2 cm anyway. A first flowering of this plant.
    I put in the three-quarter view of the flower to show that spur, nectary or whatever - quite reminiscent of some Aerides flowers ( A.odorata as just one example). No scent though, although , as you can see, the plant was sprayed this morning, when I spotted the open flowers and brought it in for photography without drying off, and maybe I sprayed away all the perfume, if any.
    The colouring is also interesting - those faint broken lines of pink *, making the flower pink from a distance, before you get closer ; I can't actually think of anything exactly like that except maybe a Rhyncho' coelestis I flowered some time ago. Then again, I think I can see Asctm in it too, those thickish roots sticking straight out of the growing basket ( probably due to my growing technique) but whatever due to , some things like Phal species, and Asctms do it, also Neofinetia intergenerics, but others - Holcoglossum crosses don't.
    A mystery ; I will award a prize to whoever comes up with the most likely guess - I may even recall the name on the lost label when I see it !
    BTW I am 99% certain that it is a primary hybrid ; for reasons which I expect those interested in this group of orchids can guess.
    I look forward to hearing.
    * an afterthouight - that colour pattern is reminiscent of some large vandas, but I don't think they are concerned here, because the flowers are too small, and quite a different shape in all respects .

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    I cant help it's very pretty complex hybrids Geoff nice close up photo.

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    My first thought seeing the flower was Siderea japonica. The second parent would be rough guess, so I leave that guess to someone else.

    Good luck!
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    An interesting thought, although I am not at all convinced. Sedirea leaves are like most phalaenopsis species leaves, quite wide and not at all thick. My plant has Rhynch like leaves, narrow, quite thick, and not bilobrd or specially shaped unlike many aerides and vandas. And as to the flowers, sedirea has no spur,and a characteristic shape with the three sepals much longer than the petals. , again nothing of that here.

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    Before I even read the message I thought: Holcoglossum amesianum hybrid. The lip is a big giveaway. As to the other parent, an Aerides is unlikely as the spur would be curved forwards or at least pointing down rather than backwards, the number of flowers on the spike is too small, the flowers are faaaaar to far apart from each other. Basically the same applies to Rhychostylis. Also, for both these genera the shape of the lip would be wrong as well, as they have paddle-shaped lips (Rhy. coelestis, etc...), minute lips (Aer. lawrenceana, etc...) or diamond-shaped lips (Aer. multiflora, etc...). So I searched for Holcoglossum amesianum hybrids that wouldn't involve these genera but something with few flowers, that are small and are not closely set. I found the following, which I think is almost certainly right: Vandirea Newberry Jasmine (Holcoglossum amesianum x Sedirea japonica). So it turns out Maurice was right as well. I guess the terete leaves from the Holcoglossum amesianum combine with the phalaenopsis-like leaves of the Sedirea japonica to give ascofinetia-type leaves. :o)

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    Oh thank you, and well done. I have another plant of this Grex, which flowered last October and I posted it here. I have just been and looked at it, and it so much alike, that it could be the same plant ! In fact I had to go and look, and yes that other plant is still there, so it's not just that I lst the label on the original. So thatis one nailed down. Good.

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    So ... WHAT'SMYPRIZEWHAT'SMYPRIZEWHAT'SMYPRIZE????!!!!


    Just joking, please don't send me an orchid!!! I have no space left in the greenhouse, the shed or the house ... though I'm thinking that all that empty space under the bed could be put to better use ... all I need are a few fluorescent tubes, a couple of large humidity trays ...
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    Interesting that the hybrid lost the scent of the sedirea japonica on a primary hybrid - that's a shame.

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    The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced that it's a primary hybrid made with Kingidium deliciosa and a vandaceous species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desdinova View Post
    The more I look at it, the more I'm convinced that it's a primary hybrid made with Kingidium deliciosa and a vandaceous species.
    No, I'm quite happy with Vandirea Newberry Jasmine, since I have a second plant with the original label on, which flowered recently and which has virtually identical flowers.
    Moreover, now that the flowers have dried off, and in the sun, the jasmine perfume has returned.

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