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A pretty little thing, but what goes on the label ?

This is a discussion on A pretty little thing, but what goes on the label ? within the Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I like the explanations and arguments given, and I will have a look at the ...

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    I like the explanations and arguments given, and I will have a look at the proposals and if I agree, as I'm sure I will, then my answer is given.
    But why, I wonder does Orchidwiz not know about this, or the RHS Register ( although in the latter case it may well do , it is simply that the offered searvh engine on the RHS site is rather clunky and maybe a bit unreliable) . And perhaps Orchidwiz primarily relies on that ? I shall ask Alex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desdinova View Post
    No hybrids were made with Ionopsis as the capsule parent, however three were made with Ionopsis as the pollen parent, and by process of elimination (the other two crosses would not give the right results) I believe your plant is Ionocidium Seewatloppen (Oncidium baueri x Ionopsis utricularoides) registered by C. I. Lafleur in 1970.
    I find this to be very believable - and quite impressive too !.
    Thanks. I have made my label.

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    Not saying Julie is necessarily wrong on the ID, but RHS actually has record of 5 hybrids using Ion. utricularioides as pod and 11 with it as pollen parent, as well as 2 hybrids registered using Ion. paniculata as pod and 7 as pollen parent, though as pointed out many of these are obviously not matches (eg probably not an Ionettia). To my untrained eye what you have looks more like what I'd expect from Ionocidium Blue Mist (utricularioides x Onc. incurvum) than from Seewatloppen (utric. x Onc. baueri), but that doesn't mean much! And maybe it's an unregistered cross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnathaniel View Post
    Not saying Julie is necessarily wrong on the ID, but RHS actually has record of 5 hybrids using Ion. utricularioides as pod and 11 with it as pollen parent, as well as 2 hybrids registered using Ion. paniculata as pod and 7 as pollen parent, though as pointed out many of these are obviously not matches (eg probably not an Ionettia). To my untrained eye what you have looks more like what I'd expect from Ionocidium Blue Mist (utricularioides x Onc. incurvum) than from Seewatloppen (utric. x Onc. baueri), but that doesn't mean much! And maybe it's an unregistered cross?

    I have added "perhaps" to the plant label.
    Personally I think it is a bit of a scandal the way the RHS Register is so user unfriendly on-line. The Registrar himself is a helpful chap , but one doesn't want to pester him ( and maybe he would not be quite so friendly if I did send him a question every time I got stuck ! ) But then, the RHS is a law unto itself - or as I always say when I pretend to defend it - "Its the best RHS we've got" and my opinion of it is so high that I resigned my membership - after 50 years - a couple of years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetman View Post
    I have added "perhaps" to the plant label.
    Personally I think it is a bit of a scandal the way the RHS Register is so user unfriendly on-line. The Registrar himself is a helpful chap , but one doesn't want to pester him ( and maybe he would not be quite so friendly if I did send him a question every time I got stuck ! ) But then, the RHS is a law unto itself - or as I always say when I pretend to defend it - "Its the best RHS we've got" and my opinion of it is so high that I resigned my membership - after 50 years - a couple of years ago.
    Agree 100% re: the user-unfriendliness, I wish they'd just update their search engine to allow an option for results from near-misses; the partial matching is decent but something as simple as a misspelled or partially illegible tag can entirely defeat most people's efforts to look up a name. The new issues with so many duplicate names due to expansion of Cattleya are also annoying, though unlike many I don't place blame with the molecular taxonomists (I enjoy new understandings of outdated generic concepts, even if not completely final) but rather I think allowing registration of identical names in closely-related genera in the first place was unwise (though of course that ship sailed years ago)... All in all, the RHS is a truly amazing organization that does far more good than ill.

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    You're welcome!

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    I think I have been a trifle short-sighted? Thank you.

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