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catasetum pileatum 'snow cup'

This is a discussion on catasetum pileatum 'snow cup' within the Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Ian... sorry I wasn't clear enough on the 'Cultural' award info... I stand corrected... the ...

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    Ian... sorry I wasn't clear enough on the 'Cultural' award info... I stand corrected... the 'Cultivar' name carries forward... but the award info is not required to. In other words... the CCM or CCE [Certificate of Cultural Merit or Certificate of Cultural Excellence] part of the Orchid name should not carry forward... as the Cultural Award is given to the grower for their efforts... and flower quality is not emphasized as much as it would be in a 'Merit' award [HCC_AM_FCC].
    My original post did not make that distinction... I'm sorry.

    I checked both the AOS Awards Plus... and Orchidwiz... and found no awards to Ctsm pileatum 'Snow Cup'.
    As a matter of practice... I would suggest that you retain the 'Snow Cup' cultivar name... as other divisions of this plant may have been released... and re-naming it might lead to confusion in the future.

    Many growers/vendors will give their selected plants 'Cultivar' names just to differentiate between them... and in that case... it is advisable to keep the name.
    Also...one reason might be that if another division of the same plant is awarded... your plant [of the same 'cultivar' name] is also considered as 'awarded'... even though you didn't receive the actual award... the plant's other division did...

    It doesn't matter when you obtained the 'named' plant... either before or after the award is granted... it is still a division of the same plant... and the award carries.

    I have a good friend of many years standing... Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids... who will always place a 'cultivar' name on his selected divisions... and expect that name to continue to be attached as part of the original name...
    I have 3 different clones of his Slc Sierra Doll that i purchased several years ago... and divisions of these same named plants have been awarded. What i have is divisions of the Mother Plant... and the awards to the other divisions apply also to my plants... as well as to Gold Country's originals.

    Quote Originally Posted by catasetum-ian View Post
    thanks for the info, understood all of it but i would prefer a little bit more clarification on this part i included in the quote. don't quite get the part on the cultural award.
    the reason i am not sure to use the cultivar name is because i was told by a local forum member here that an unnamed orchid division can be named by the owner even though without winning any award which i don't think is right. so, i wasn't sure the cultivar name of my pileatum is an awarded name or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty View Post
    Ian... sorry I wasn't clear enough on the 'Cultural' award info... I stand corrected... the 'Cultivar' name carries forward... but the award info is not required to. In other words... the CCM or CCE [Certificate of Cultural Merit or Certificate of Cultural Excellence] part of the Orchid name should not carry forward... as the Cultural Award is given to the grower for their efforts... and flower quality is not emphasized as much as it would be in a 'Merit' award [HCC_AM_FCC].
    My original post did not make that distinction... I'm sorry.

    I checked both the AOS Awards Plus... and Orchidwiz... and found no awards to Ctsm pileatum 'Snow Cup'.
    As a matter of practice... I would suggest that you retain the 'Snow Cup' cultivar name... as other divisions of this plant may have been released... and re-naming it might lead to confusion in the future.

    Many growers/vendors will give their selected plants 'Cultivar' names just to differentiate between them... and in that case... it is advisable to keep the name.
    Also...one reason might be that if another division of the same plant is awarded... your plant [of the same 'cultivar' name] is also considered as 'awarded'... even though you didn't receive the actual award... the plant's other division did...

    It doesn't matter when you obtained the 'named' plant... either before or after the award is granted... it is still a division of the same plant... and the award carries.

    I have a good friend of many years standing... Alan Koch of Gold Country Orchids... who will always place a 'cultivar' name on his selected divisions... and expect that name to continue to be attached as part of the original name...
    I have 3 different clones of his Slc Sierra Doll that i purchased several years ago... and divisions of these same named plants have been awarded. What i have is divisions of the Mother Plant... and the awards to the other divisions apply also to my plants... as well as to Gold Country's originals.
    no apologies needed at all, and many thanks for taking time to make the clarification. much appreciated.

    the CCM and CCE reminds me of two pics that i saw in one of the forums, the bulb of the catasetums where its length is from one's finger to the elbow. i am aiming towards that direction.......call me crazy. =D

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    wow beautiful....very lucky not to have euglossine bees there.....they always pollinate our catasetums here

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Kjeldz View Post
    wow beautiful....very lucky not to have euglossine bees there.....they always pollinate our catasetums here
    haha,,,,,,but here there are also some other nosy insects that just couldn't leave the flowers alone.

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    Very elegant plant.

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    first time seeming a white pileatum! so snowy white.

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    Wonder how I missed this thread, Ian. That's one of the most beautiful pileatum I;ve seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catttan View Post
    Wonder how I missed this thread, Ian. That's one of the most beautiful pileatum I;ve seen.
    thanks Yew Sung, but you did not actually "miss" this thread. you did came across the post of this plant about a two months ago, that was the first spike. i busted 4 out of the ten flowers. this is the second spike, 8 of them this time.

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    image of purity..congrat ian...

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