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Encyclia andendocarpa and Encyclia Orchid Jungle

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    Cool Encyclia andendocarpa and Encyclia Orchid Jungle

    It is Encyclia time in my backyard. I have several plants and they are all either in bloom or in spike. The first of these two; the "andendocarpa", was purchased from a reputable Encyclia vendor in 2010. For some reason I can find not one piece of information on it, not even on Orchid Wiz or the Royal Horticultural website. I emailed the vendor and they sent back two words, Mexican Species. So, does anyone know anything about the name of this plant?

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    I'll bet it smells good at your house, Connie! These are really nice.

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    I have Carl Withner's wonderful set "The Cattleyas and their relatives - in Six Parts" ( except that he then wrote a seventh one...) He deals with it, in Vol V, page 93.
    "The flowers of this species are unusual in the genus Encyclia; they are the largest, and are in clear rosy lavender magenta tones, instead of the usual yellow-green-brown mixture" ( He then mentions one or two others which have such colours and explains why this is different). It was called Epidendrum nemorale - maybe a more familiar name ? The name change is based on the usual rules of priority. Nemorale means of the groves and woods, whereas adenocaulum means glandular covered stems, This makes the flower stalks rough - a diagnostic feature I should think ?In fact the great orchidist Lindley, called this verrucosum , which has the same meaning. Should be 8-10 flowers on a scape longer than the leaves. Sepals and petals can reach 50mm. Comes from dry oak and pine forests.

    Hope all this helps Connie !

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    Yes it did...Thank You! I was really upset at the flower count. It still isn't the best but at least I understand the thin little spikes with a handful of flowers. I will see if I can find it under the old name...great info, thanks again.

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    I have Carl Withner's wonderful set "The Cattleyas and their relatives - in Six Parts" ( except that he then wrote a seventh one...) He deals with it, in Vol V, page 93.
    "The flowers of this species are unusual in the genus Encyclia; they are the largest, and are in clear rosy lavender magenta tones, instead of the usual yellow-green-brown mixture" ( He then mentions one or two others which have such colours and explains why this is different). It was called Epidendrum nemorale - maybe a more familiar name ? The name change is based on the usual rules of priority. Nemorale means of the groves and woods, whereas adenocaulum means glandular covered stems, This makes the flower stalks rough - a diagnostic feature I should think ?In fact the great orchidist Lindley, called this verrucosum , which has the same meaning. Should be 8-10 flowers on a scape longer than the leaves. Sepals and petals can reach 50mm. Comes from dry oak and pine forests.

    Hope all this helps Connie !

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    So beautiful and your place must smell heavenly.

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    Such pretty blooms, especially the Encyclia Orchid Jungle!

    cheers,
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    Beautiful, Connie! Both lovely but your Orchid Jungle is really stunning, definitely one of my favorite Encyclia hybrids.

    The species is probably Encyclia adenocarpa (w/out the extra 'n' and 'd'). Encyclia adenocaula (aka Epi. nemorale) is also from Mexico but looks very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnathaniel View Post
    Beautiful, Connie! Both lovely but your Orchid Jungle is really stunning, definitely one of my favorite Encyclia hybrids.

    The species is probably Encyclia adenocarpa (w/out the extra 'n' and 'd'). Encyclia adenocaula (aka Epi. nemorale) is also from Mexico but looks very different.
    It is so close to Adenocarpa, with one tiny exception; the side lobes on Adenocarpa are smaller and a different shape than this one. I'm not sure if it's a hybrid, or just an unusual looking Adenocarpa.

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    Hmm... good point about the side lobes, but I don't think they put your plant outside the range of variety in adenocarpa. While yours doesn't look exactly like the IOSPE photo, pictures at a couple of online herbaria and various other websites are more in line with how your plant looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnathaniel View Post
    Hmm... good point about the side lobes, but I don't think they put your plant outside the range of variety in adenocarpa. While yours doesn't look exactly like the IOSPE photo, pictures at a couple of online herbaria and various other websites are more in line with how your plant looks.
    I sort of figured it was a minor spelling error, but was shocked at how curt the vendor was when I asked. I will probably change the tag to adenocarpa...I agree the side lobes aren't a major thing.

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