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four yellow blooms

This is a discussion on four yellow blooms within the Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I agree the book looks like Nelson's flower. Nelson, did you ID the plant, or ...

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    I agree the book looks like Nelson's flower. Nelson, did you ID the plant, or did it come with a tag. And are tags there usually reliable?

    Amy, why are you so sure it's not?

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    I am still positive that it is not spurium.

    Tim, I am not playing taxonomist but it looks like I do not have a choice because there is a need for more in the field in the Philippines not just for orchids but for endemic plants. I do not have time at the moment to go over the postings here but this one is actually similar to a plant I found in Luzon which is to come out with another name very soon. I cannot give the name yet as it will jeopardize the publication.

    Taxonomy is a science which is evolving but this one is for the classic.
    I had to publish it soon after reviewing the new book by Howard Wood 2006( to be published in Germany) and I noticed that he doubted the existence of spurium in the Philippines. This has to be researched and I am trying to gather proof for the truth. This is one minor reason why I had to fastract the naming of the plant...

    Those who have access to books/CD you may look at Holttum's Flora of Malaya Vol 1, Agoo et al Orchids of the Philippines, Comber's Orchids of Sumatra.

    I have images of the real spurium which will come out together with the publication. I cannot post it here as it is not mine and it is owned by another institution in Europe and it is copyrighted.

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    Default IMAGE OF TRUE SPURIUM

    Quote Originally Posted by amyarquiza View Post
    I am still positive that it is not spurium.

    Tim, I am not playing taxonomist but it looks like I do not have a choice because there is a need for more in the field in the Philippines not just for orchids but for endemic plants. I do not have time at the moment to go over the postings here but this one is actually similar to a plant I found in Luzon which is to come out with another name very soon. I cannot give the name yet as it will jeopardize the publication.

    Taxonomy is a science which is evolving but this one is for the classic.
    I had to publish it soon after reviewing the new book by Howard Wood 2006( to be published in Germany) and I noticed that he doubted the existence of spurium in the Philippines. This has to be researched and I am trying to gather proof for the truth. This is one minor reason why I had to fastract the naming of the plant...

    Those who have access to books/CD you may look at Holttum's Flora of Malaya Vol 1, Agoo et al Orchids of the Philippines, Comber's Orchids of Sumatra.

    I have images of the real spurium which will come out together with the publication. I cannot post it here as it is not mine and it is owned by another institution in Europe and it is copyrighted.

    Amy
    I found an image of one that represents a true Dendrobium spurium. I hope the owner wont mind. Please click and see the difference!
    http://okidofmalaysia1.tripod.com/in...denspurium.htm

    I am writing an article about this confusing species hopefully to come out next year.

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    Default PLANT ID: MISTAKE

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    No use telling us what it isn't, and not telling what it is Gin

    HI Gin,

    This is a forum and I want to tell you that there is a use when one recognize that the label in one's photo or plant is not correct. Whether a person knows what it is or do not know what it is, then there is opportunity for others or anyone interested to look for what is right or what it deserves.

    Hope you will be open about things. And with my other recent postings you will understand why.

    Amy

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    I think we are open, we just didn't understand how you could be so sure it wasn't what Nelson said, especially after seeing the photo in the book. If the book is being corrected, then it would have been clearer to tell us that...

    We are all friends here, let's not let taxonomy, common names, or anything else get in the way.... but we should all try to be clear when there is a difference of opinion.

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    Joke of the day:
    What's the do you call work which you enjoy?



    A hobby



    I wish I was clever enough to have taxonomy as a hobby.

    Amy, I believe we understand your need for discretion about the forthcoming article, I guess our curiosity was piqued on the actual name of the plant... however, I will now wait patiently until publication....

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    Whoa there! I would just like to say that the yellow orchids are beautiful.
    Congratulations on a job well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bench72 View Post
    Joke of the day:
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    A hobby



    I wish I was clever enough to have taxonomy as a hobby.

    Amy, I believe we understand your need for discretion about the forthcoming article, I guess our curiosity was piqued on the actual name of the plant... however, I will now wait patiently until publication....
    Thanks...as of now taxonomy is my hobby ( my dissertation has nothing to do with this). And it is fun, but a lot of work too.I am not exactly correcting the book shown, it is up to the author to do so, as I have a different material as type.

    I know everyone's having fun showing and learning plants, but considering that orchids are living organism, let's be thankful that they do not really talk to us directly as if I someone call me eg Imelda/Maria/Josefa I wont be happy about it. Joking but true.

    This will be my last post for the year, you will know the name of the plant from publications in the future, whether the name I will give will be priority or not...we will see. But as a Filipino, I will be happy that another plant will be recognized and the one who owns this plant has something that I believe is new! Though not exactly the same, I consider the slight variation as belonging to the same species.

    Amy

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    Quote Originally Posted by amyarquiza View Post
    as if someone call me eg Imelda
    but first.. how many shoes do you have????

    I think it's really neat that we have various people such as yourself and Pat, Jim, etc etc (sorry if I left anyone out) who are in this field and can give us insight and extra info about these orchids we cherish so much.

    of course, me being so naive (read: dumb) about the complexity of this field, I'm still allowed to pick on taxonomists for making it even harder to comprehend... just to get y'all back for making me write another tag

    By the way, do you know of anyone doing further work on the Filipino Paphs??? I keep reading conflicting stories of what occurs in the philippines etc etc... like reading in Valmayor's book that both rothschildianum (as elliotianum) and sanderianum occur (occurred) in Palawan.

    cheers
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    Default Thank you, Ami.

    I think it would had been better had you had stated everything right away, rather than left the issue hanging after your one statement post.

    My impression is that people who post here regularly do not hold back information from each other ( at least, about our plants). Perhaps it would be safe to say that we don't read scientific reports about orchids regularly; maybe we each own at most only a few reference books. That is why when one of us has information about a plant of interest, almost always we post that bit of information.

    I think it is safe for you to post information that is about to be published without fear of any of us plagiarizing it. We are laymen in the orchid sense, with no interest in seeing our names in by-lines in scientific journals knowing fully well that it was your data in the first place. At most we are only interested to know whether our plant is correctly named or not, and thence maybe why or why not.

    Thank you, and cheers!

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