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catatasetum barbatum, double lip.....totally wicked look!

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    Default catatasetum barbatum, double lip.....totally wicked look!

    this bud is the first on the spike i posted earlier but the slowest to develop. initially i thought that the plant will abort this particular bud but this morning..... Voila!! it opened and there is double lip but with a dorsal and ventral orientation. looks like the jaw with fangs in the show Alien or Jaws. hehehehe

    i guess i wasn't paying much attention to it before it opens. should had notice the double labellum much earlier, only noted the awkward resupinated labellum postion for a barbatum, but din check on the bottom.
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    It is cool!

    Would this be considered peloric? Or is it expected on this species?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 78Terp View Post
    It is cool!

    Would this be considered peloric? Or is it expected on this species?
    do not really understand the full meaning of peloric even after i googled...hehe
    but this is not normal for this species. very unusual.
    here is a pic of the normal one
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    Peloric means it has a deformity. Some are environmentally caused (one time pelorism) and some are genetic (always peloric blooms). Some find peloric attractive (I do) and some hate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 78Terp View Post
    Peloric means it has a deformity. Some are environmentally caused (one time pelorism) and some are genetic (always peloric blooms). Some find peloric attractive (I do) and some hate it.
    many thanks for the explanation Harvey. much appreciated.
    peloric...well, not a big fan of it. but for this one, i will make it an exception. hahahaha ...way too alienate.

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    Wicked is right, but what a beauty

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    Peloric does not mean just any deformity. It has a very specific meaning in floral anatomy, and had that meaning long before orchid growers started throwing it around. When a flower with bilateral symmetry (like an orchid) changes to appear closer to radial symmetry (think of a lily), that change is peloric. The most typical peloric form in orchid flowers is when the petals take on characteristics of the lip, making the flower closer to radial symmetry. That kind of change is often genetic, and many orchids are bred specifically to show that trait.

    This flower seems to have 2 lips and 2 sepals, and other parts lacking. It has bilateral symmetry in 2 planes instead of 1, but not radial symmetry, so it would not be considered peloric. Probably just a one time developmental problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaphMadMan View Post
    Peloric does not mean just any deformity. It has a very specific meaning in floral anatomy, and had that meaning long before orchid growers started throwing it around. When a flower with bilateral symmetry (like an orchid) changes to appear closer to radial symmetry (think of a lily), that change is peloric. The most typical peloric form in orchid flowers is when the petals take on characteristics of the lip, making the flower closer to radial symmetry. That kind of change is often genetic, and many orchids are bred specifically to show that trait.

    This flower seems to have 2 lips and 2 sepals, and other parts lacking. It has bilateral symmetry in 2 planes instead of 1, but not radial symmetry, so it would not be considered peloric. Probably just a one time developmental problem.
    Many thanks for the further clarification Kirk, got the meaning of peloric now. =)
    yes, i would agree to that saying this is only one time development but would be thrilled if this is a permanent deformity. hehehe

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    weird but still very nice Ian.

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    interesting flower.

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