Love the cockleshell bloom!
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This is a discussion on Prosyclia Green Hornet within the Orchids of Other Genera IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I got this last year and have already posted pictures, but with my new camera ...
I got this last year and have already posted pictures, but with my new camera these are much better, hope you enjoy! I am still learning how to work this camera, any suggestions will be appreciated!
Love the cockleshell bloom!
Looks cute. Thanks for sharing Jack
Another unique flower! So many, Jack! Thanks for sharing!
There is no criticism of anyone other than the RHS hybrid registration system in this post. This is my rambling attempt to wrap my head around the enigma of this hybrid's name. Please do not interpret it in any other context...
I have been trying to figure out how and why this hybrid would ever be called Proscyclia. I even wondered if it was some kind of passive-aggressive protest by someone who doesn't like name changes (which we all find irritating to one degree or another). Originally registered as Epidendrum Green Hornet in 1997, it is a cross of 2 closely related cockleshell orchid species - so closely related that there never should have been a time that they were not considered in the same genus, no matter which genus was in use at any particular time. They were tossed around from Epidendrum to Encyclia to Prosthechea, or back to an older name of Anacheilium along the way, but they all should have stayed together. In this case there was also a complication in the original registration when one of the species was misidentified for several years and the registration was later changed to reflect that. Proscyclia is a combination of Prosthechea and Encyclia, but how did that ever happen here?
Sometimes it happens that when someone publishes a new genus for a group of species they miss the formal step of including all the species in the group. There is a period of time where the new genus may be generally accepted but some species must still use the old genus because they haven't been validly published in the new genus. And RHS always has some time lag between when a new genus is published and generally accepted and when they officially start using it in hybrid names - maybe decades, maybe days, maybe never. Apparently there was a short period where one of these species was recognized as Prosthechea for hybrid registration and one was still considered Encyclia, and RHS chose that particular 15 minute period to slap the name Proscyclia on it. I think the change in the identification of the one species may have played a part in that.
I think it went like this... The original registration was Epidendrum cochleatum x Epidendrum lancifolium. Later Encyclia lancifolia was recognized as a synonym of Encyclia cochleata, but the actual plant used to make this hybrid turned out to be Encyclia trulla misidentified as lancifolia (cochleata). About the same time the switch from Encyclia to Prosthechea was taking place. Encyclia lancifolia was never changed to Prosthechea because it isn't a valid species anyway, but there may have been a time when the records indicated Prosthechea cochleata x Encyclia lancifolia as the parentage, before all the corrections and updates caught up.
So, originally registered as Epidendrum Green Hornet, it is now officially recognized as Prosthechea Green Hornet. Proscylia Green Hornet was a short term anomaly that should never have happened. Encyclia Green Hornet was never officially recognized but wouldn't be entirely unreasonable for those who can't deal with Prosthechea. There might be those who would prefer Anacheilium Green Hornet, though that was also never accepted by RHS. Anything but Proscyclia.
I doubt anyone else found that interesting, but now I can lay my compulsion to understand to rest.
I call my 3, Encyclia. And I am good with it.
Thanks for the info Kirk, I am an old fart and will stick with the name on the tag. You are right it would be nice if they would stop all of these changes it is getting ridiculous!
Thank you Kirk for the insight. Did not know may of these facts. I tend to agree with Harvey and jack. I too like names they were originally introduced to me and cannot accept frequent changes on genus names
Kirk- I am never bored by your comments! Ever!