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Milk ? I popped in here for a serious discussion -

This is a discussion on Milk ? I popped in here for a serious discussion - within the The Outback Terrace Bar forums, part of the Land Plants category; I don't expect to find my favourite single malt ( that's real scotch whisky - ...

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    Default Milk ? I popped in here for a serious discussion -

    I don't expect to find my favourite single malt ( that's real scotch whisky - none of your blended stuff ) now that I've popped across the pond.
    However, browsing to try and find the date of the New York Orchid Show next year ( just a thought that my wife might be up to flying that far- especially as we both enjoyed our previous experiences in that fair city ) I came across the page which I hope I am posting as a piccy below. My questions are - assuming all this is true - where do these orchids go . That figure for Japan - I am not aware of them exporting anything - ditto USA - all domestic consumption ? In UK at least , a very large proportion of all orchids sold are via Garden Centres, Supermarkets etc. Say 95% at a guess. And all of that is from Taiwan and the Netherlands ( Holland to you, maybe). Now in The Netherlands, horticulture is THE most important industrial activity ; no less than 35% of their GDP ( if you understand economics jargon - gross domestic product if you don't) and plane loads of orchids leave their airports every day. And they are not even mentioned. Very odd. And note those figures are production, not sales in the country.
    Goes to show you can't believe anything you read on the internet ?
    As they say in examination papers ... discuss !

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    I expect you will be able to find some single malt but it may take some hunting.

    If accurate, those figures are quite astounding. I have noticed that orchids are much more common now both in stores and as decor in ads, movies, and shows on the telly then they were in my far distant youth. Despite that, I would not have thought production was that high.

    I would have expected Thailand and Taiwan production to be higher than the USA ... but then they are far smaller countries so perhaps that limits the amount of area that can be allocated for such. If these production numbers are accurate, it would be mind boggling as to what the sales numbers must be like.

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    I don't know what to say Geoff! I knew that Holland is the biggest orchid producer from Europe (at least I thought it was).

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    I do know that orchid sales in the US are very high and orchids are passing poinsettias in popularity and sales. My department averages a $1000 per week in orchid sales alone and most of those sales are for noid phals. Holiday periods sales are much higher. Customers usually by in multiples and that is for the 6 inch phals at $35 a pop.All our potted orchids come from US growers. I do know that our cut orchids come mainly from Holland with the exception of dendrobiums and mokaras which come from taiwan.

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    I think there is a resurgence of people just wanting to stay home and "vegetate". Just putter around their homes. With information just a couple of key taps away, it is now pretty easy to grow orchids. Where someone would hestiate in purchasing a plant ...they now have them crowding the sidewalk as you walk into a big box store, calling...buy me! Phal displays are peppered around in isles, begging you .... buy me! And if you walk out into the garden shop, you are coming home with an orchid.
    Everyone would like to own a little piece of mystery and romance, blooming in a plastic pot and imagining it came from somewhere exotic

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdayinflorida View Post
    I think there is a resurgence of people just wanting to stay home and "vegetate". Just putter around their homes. With information just a couple of key taps away, it is now pretty easy to grow orchids. Where someone would hestiate in purchasing a plant ...they now have them crowding the sidewalk as they walk into a big box store. Phal displays are peppered around in isles and look at the waves of them if you walk out into the garden shops.
    What is reallt sad is that they are now considered a throw away plant. I have many customers that buy new phals for their homes/offices and have pitched the ones they bought a few months ago. Great for business but when you love orchids as I do it saddens me to think they are pitched as if they were a Christmas tree.

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    Awesome...20mill, not bad for us kiwis then is it? And of course Japan had to be at the top.....

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    Very interesting stats, Geoff! I would have guessed very differently. WOW!

    cheers,
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    Japan at the top? This might shock most of us but this is quite misleading as I think the figures represent the value generated by the sale of orchids and orchid flowers. A Japanese friend who retired to Malaysia (he passed away last year) to grow orchids, used to dispose of extra plants at prices which shocked us. He assured us that these had already been adjusted lower to Malaysian 'market prices'. For example Odcdm Wildcat MR 79 (local nursery MR 20 flowering catteyas MR 120 - 150 (local nursery MR 20 - 40). Remember these prices have already been adjusted!! Goodness knows what the prices were in Japan! A relative who visited Japan was shocked to find that a water-melon which costs MR 5 -7 here is MR 80 - 100 in Japan. If we take the difference in pricing into consideration then we might be able to see it in the proper perspective. Most probably most of the orchid plants and cut flowers sold in Japan originated from neighbouring Taiwan or Southeast Asian countries like Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia. I know a friend of mine in the Cameron Highlands here who airfreights truckloads of Oncidium and chrysanthemum flowers to Japan.

    Whatever the true situation might be I think the survey is flawed as Holland doesn't even make it into the list!

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    Yes, Yew Sung - you make two very interesting points ; the difference in local prices .( I'll use US$ equivalents as we all understand those I think ) In London, a cup of coffee in a specialist shop like Starbucks will cost $4 - we are shocked when we go to Switzerland and it costs $10 - this is the sort of thing you have in mind for the japanese figures, I think.
    And the low figure for Holland is quite unbelievable .
    ( I am sorry if I confuse people by talking about The Netherlands - but strictly speaking Holland is just once of the provinces of that country , and I guess I am a bit of a pedant at times ! )

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