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Julie comes to LA - YIKES!!

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    ..interesting in that you say Western instruments are "off".

    After years of playing the piano and occasionally listening to the bagpipe, I always thought the bagpipe notes sounded kind of sharp. (I guess that explains my thoughts...your A being higher than a concert A...it almost sounds like A sharp to me.)

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    The pitch of the instrument is more noticed in the warmth of the tone. Not the sharpness. The lower pitches are more resonant and warmer. But competing pipe bands have more challenge tuning together. The lower pitches will highlight tuning errors more readily. So the bands have driven the pitch upwards over the last century.

    The "off" I reffered to was introduced by J.S. Bach. Bach was aware of a musical anomaly known as the Pythagorean Comma (or error). It's mathematically/musically involved, but essentially if you try and transpose between different keys, there's this pitch glitch that screws you up.

    Bach wanted to write symphonic music for different instruments that played in different keys (hence, had to transpose). So he took the Pythagorean Comma, and divided the amount of the error equally across all the different notes of the keyboard. Each would be ever so slightly off their "pure" pitch, so that instruments tuned to these slightly off pitches could play together and freely transpose. This is what is known as the well-tempered clavier. Well-tempered is the slightly off pitching, and is what we're used to in western music.

    Just or perfect-tempering, as in a bagpipe, means the notes are pitched precisely, but can't transpose. This is what gives the phenominal harmonics off the three drones on the bagpipe. Well-tempered instruments can't approach the pure harmonics, and we just aren't used to hearing them.

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    Hey! That's the first submission for the music article contest, LOL!

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    I was going to bring the flag I fly on my house, we have a beautiful grove of 300+ year old oaks by the pool area.

    I guess you'll just have to listen to me sing The SBB acapella.



    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    Considering the range of notes in the Star Spangled Banner and that I only have 9 to work with, you'd have acoustic whiplash if I even tried to play it. I've some other appropriate tunes though.

    Do you have an appropriate park with a flag. We'd really need that.

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    That's where the copious amounts of vino and scotch come in, LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    usually everyone is trying to mutually prop each other up. It's much more giving and caring. And sad, but beautiful at the same time.
    Having just gone through this process myself, it was nice to be able to be the strong shoulder for those that needed it. I had resolved several years ago that it was OK for my parent to pass on. Sure I miss her annoying calls for help on her computer, but it is OK. I know she had a decent life. So, while going through the process I was able to be there for Renee, my brother, 2 sisters and a niece when they needed a shoulder to cry on. It was especially nice when my niece came to me unprompted. Her father does not live with her (divorce) so it was nice to give her a strong, male shoulder when she needed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by clintdawley View Post
    You have nine notes to work with?
    It is amazing (no not thumb or grace) the number of songs/tunes that can be played in one octave.

    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    For what it's worth, the instrument is just or perfectly-tempered, unlike most western instruments which are well-tempered, so our harmonics are pure.
    Modes, schmodes, just play the music is my motto! I do not know "well-tempered." I do know of equal-tempered though. As far as the "perfectness" or "pureness" of the notes......

    There, I said it.

    Quote Originally Posted by clintdawley View Post
    ..interesting in that you say Western instruments are "off".

    After years of playing the piano and occasionally listening to the bagpipe, I always thought the bagpipe notes sounded kind of sharp.
    Yeah, me too!!! hehe

    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    The "off" I reffered to was introduced by J.S. Bach. Bach was aware of a musical anomaly known as the Pythagorean Comma (or error). It's mathematically/musically involved, but essentially if you try and transpose between different keys, there's this pitch glitch that screws you up.

    Bach wanted to write symphonic music for different instruments that played in different keys (hence, had to transpose). So he took the Pythagorean Comma, and divided the amount of the error equally across all the different notes of the keyboard. Each would be ever so slightly off their "pure" pitch, so that instruments tuned to these slightly off pitches could play together and freely transpose. This is what is known as the well-tempered clavier. Well-tempered is the slightly off pitching, and is what we're used to in western music.
    Thank you Bach, you saved us all!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    I guess you'll just have to listen to me sing The SBB acapella.
    I feel a poll coming on: Julie on pipes or Diane acapella...... hmmmmm

    OK, so I HAVE heard a nice piper a time or two and I have not heard Julie play so I cannot judge her. But pipes in all of their many forms are quite difficult to play properly. The fact that she is in great demand to display her talents (probably by referral) speaks volumes of her abilities, I am sure.

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    Naw, Steve...never assume the quality of a piper based on great demand. People hire pipers sight unheard, and may not even realize what a horror show they've contracted. They simply assume it's the pipes (and the result gives piping a black eye.)

    Always listen to a player you're hiring. They don't need to compete, but if they do, it's a quality indicator. You want a grade 4 competitor (the entry level grade) with some accomplishment. Grade three and up should be fine. (Smaller numbers mean better playing.)

    Nough on pipes!

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    Okay - 3 days and counting...

    Daffy (that's MISS Daffy to you, Julie) wanted me to remind you of a few cat rules:

    1st day you are treated like an intruder - you probably won't be allowed the pleasure of my complany.

    2nd day you will be treated like a visitor - I'll keep my distance but keep an eye on you.

    3rd day you will be treated like a guest - I'll let you pet me if you behave, and sneak into your room to put hair on your stuff.

    4th day - I'll spend the entire time figuring out ways to get your attention and/or putting hair on your stuff.

    5th day - I'll sleep.

    6th day - see 5th day.

    7th day - see 5th day.

    Oh, yes, Diane wants to know if you take cream in your coffee..

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    Dear Miss Daffy Queen of the Fur, Your Lordship:

    Your terms are acceptable and certainly more favorable than the ones I currently live under.

    Tell Diane, it's usually half&half in decaf with sugar, but I can be flexible. My cell phone has GPS and can navigate me towards the closest Dunkin Donuts (a very handy feature!)

    Julie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diane View Post
    Okay - 3 days and counting...

    Daffy (that's MISS Daffy to you, Julie) wanted me to remind you of a few cat rules:

    1st day you are treated like an intruder - you probably won't be allowed the pleasure of my complany.

    2nd day you will be treated like a visitor - I'll keep my distance but keep an eye on you.

    3rd day you will be treated like a guest - I'll let you pet me if you behave, and sneak into your room to put hair on your stuff.

    4th day - I'll spend the entire time figuring out ways to get your attention and/or putting hair on your stuff.

    5th day - I'll sleep.

    6th day - see 5th day.

    7th day - see 5th day.

    Oh, yes, Diane wants to know if you take cream in your coffee..
    This is all true UNLESS the cat senses that you really do not like cats. Then it will treat you as if you are the most gracious and loving cat lover in the world and DEMAND that you pay attention to it.

    Oh, and the part about the hair is true from day one, even if by proxy from ANYTHING that you happen to sit on, lay on or even come close too. This is especially true if you are one of those that do not particularly appreciate feline domestica.

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