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Mislabelled Paph. Pinocchio

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    Default Mislabelled Paph. Pinocchio

    When I brought this in to show off at my local orchid society the other day people said that it is not Paph. Pinocchio. I bought it in bud in 2007. And now it is the first paph. I have ever re-bloomed. I really wish I knew what it really is though.

    Does it look like a sequential species or do you guys think it is a hybrid?

    The flower measures

    5 inches across the petals and 3 inches dorsal to pouch. The petals are twisted twice around and flexed slightly back.

    Any ideas?
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    It looks like Pinocchio to me. There may be some clonal variation and not every one will look exactly the same. Case in point, I have two of these from different vendors. One has a smaller flower and much more intense color while the other is larger and always looks "washed out". After looking more closely at yours, there may be something else in its breeding because the dorsal is more veined than mine.




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    Whatever it is, it's gorgeous.

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    I did a search looks like Pinocchio to me, as Doc said not every one of them is identical .. I love it very pretty Gin

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    Thanks for posting your pics Bikerdoc! The second one looks pretty similar to mine. I am glad to know that it is a Pinocchio!

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    I think it is Pinocchio. Many of them are slightly different. When I saw the photo, I said, that is paph Pinocchio. After reading the thread, I was glad to see Howard's photos and read Gins web search for verification. I would label it as Pinocchio and not worry.

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    I'm not a cochlosepalum paph expert. However this is what I hear:

    Pinocchio is primulinum X glaucophyllum and this cross gives smooth dorsals. Sometimes fine stripes.

    primulinum X moquettianum gives a dorsal with small dimples and sometimes with fine spotting. Right now the orchid register accepts glaucophyllum var. moquettianum, although taxonomists suggest they are two different species. This might the reason for some of the differences in appearances.

    I do have a pinocchio that is most likely primulinum X moquettianum (not glaucophyllum). Howards first "pinocchio" looks like mine. A dorsal with lots of dimples and no stripes. If the orchid register accepts moquettianum for registration some name tags will have to be changed...

    I think you might have the real pinocchio but I am not the cochlosepalum ID expert. The dorsal isn't super smooth though, so I don't know. Anyway under the register both crosses I listed above are pinocchio.
    But there are many other cochlo. species mix ups it seems with some crosses since they look so similar (and some non-pure species sold as species, which then maybe used for breeding). Maybe someone thought another species was involved.

    Anyway keep the name and enjoy the bloom.

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    That is very excellent, Fren.....Thank you for that concise research....a BIG THANK YOU

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    Thanks everyone! Good teamwork

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    Whomever contradicted your identification claim should have said why and what they thought you had. Not very helpful to just say it is not pinocchio
    There was a thread about this on another site. As I recall the big contention was the rim of clear green around the dorsal. My problem is, that in lighting for photo, you may place a backlight which would exaggerate the clarity of the border. For my purposes, you have a beautiful flower and I think it looks like pinocchio.
    Nick

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