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MOS New Arrivals

This is a discussion on MOS New Arrivals within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; The Michigan Orchid Society has their annual Palm Sunday show. I was able to attend ...

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    The Michigan Orchid Society has their annual Palm Sunday show. I was able to attend and work for one of the vendors... I also had some chids follow me home; not that I had any room for them but we all know how that works!!!! Anyway, I have never been much for the "name game" with orchids, but I like to have some intellectual "edge" for myself as a FYI as well as not looking like a total idiot when conversing with vendors or others "in the know." So I need some help understanding the labels on some of these orchids...... The first, Paph Norito Hasegawa x sib ("Wesley' x 'Vista Del Monte' AM/AOS) and the other, Paph. Hatsue Otsuka 'Gold Spirits' AM/AOS x rothschildianum 'Baby Milais'.

    OK so the "AM/AOS is a no brainer! And the 1st portion of each is the name of one of the parents in the cross, which came from the cross of other parents. Now, for the portion, "sib ('Wesley' ******), help me understand what this means. For the 2nd,"rothschildianum" is a species and the 'Baby Milais' is a clonal variation of the species????

    Wow, now I do have a headache... where's my coffee!!!!!!












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    I think I like the first one best.

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    It's a basic sib cross
    Paph. Norito Hasegawa 'Wesley' x Paph. Norito Hasegawa 'Vista Del Monte' AM/AOS
    And yes 'Baby Milais' is a clonal variation of the Paph. rothschildianum species.
    It can be very difficult reading some labels especially when you have multiple unregistered parents. Then you have something like this:
    name x [name x (name x name)]
    Those really cross your eyes. Hope this helps.

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    Good selection, Howard. Love the first one and the rothchildianum cross.Agree wholeheartedly with Jeff re the problem caused by crosses using multiple unregistered parents. This is a real problem with breeders in Asia.

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    Thanks guys. This helps clear the cobwebs!!!!

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    Great looking orchids, Howard!

    Cheers,
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    Howard, if you're not too tired out from all this, one way that the Norito Hasegawa you have differs from some, is that both its parents were also Norito Hasegawa. Norito Hasegawa was originally produced by crossing the two species malipoense & armeniacum. In the case of your plant, however, somebody took two Norito Hasegawa plants (Wesley & Vista Del Monte, the latter of which was awarded with an AM/AOS) and crossed them to produce your plant. The result is it could be described as sort of a "second generation" of Norito Hasegawa. In theory, such a plant might be genetically closer to armeniacum or to malipoense than a first generation plant, which would always be exactly 50% of the two species.

    The second plant can be simplified in its name. According to Orchid Wiz, the cross of Hatsue Otsuka and rothschildianum has been named. It is Paph Alexa Noel. By the way, that color is just unreal! Stunning!

    The third plant is a cross of two named clones of the species, delenatii, and is therefore still delenatii.

    Now, with the fourth plant, wenshanense X armeniacum, you run into other problems. I'm not quite sure exactly what wenshanense is! According to some sources, it's a valid species. According to others, wenshanense is another name for what I know as Conco-bellatulum (a hybrid of concolor & bellatulum), but according to Orchid Wiz it is simply a synonym for bellatulum. So, if wenshasense is a valid species, then your hybrid plant is Paph Lake Shinsei. If wenshasense is conco-bellatulum, then the plant is Paph Hiroki Tanaka, but if it the last is correct, then it's Paph Wossner Bellarmi. All three are listed in Orchid Wiz! Unfortunately, only Lake Shinsei has photos. It is almost a dead ringer for your plant, though. You might want to try googling all three to see if you can find photos of the other two, so you can compare.

    The final photo, of course, is straightforward. Phew!

    I totally agree that crosses of un-named plants can lead to huge problems and I really wish growers wouldn't make these crosses without registering the parents first.

    Cheers,
    Rob

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