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Phrag. Grande 'Phil's Pholly' FCC/AOS

This is a discussion on Phrag. Grande 'Phil's Pholly' FCC/AOS within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Fren, I contacted Rich Weymouth, an AOS judge and this was his comment: " The ...

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    Fren,
    I contacted Rich Weymouth, an AOS judge and this was his comment:

    " The 'flare out' of the Grande pouch is caused by the other parent (longifolium) which has a "tooth" on each side of its pouch and causes the caudatum parents pouch to have the "Grande flare". This is indeed an easy method to tell that a caudatum isn't a caudatum but in fact a Grande or other hybrid."

    I'm not sure exactly what that means but I hope it answers your question.

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    Yes it is the strong ridges on the sides of the rim of pouch. That is the only hint that make it Grande. If your plant is growing more vigorously than the usual caudatum, then that could be a longifolium influence.
    I'd give the benefit of the doubt leave it as a Grande

    I did post a few 'caudatum' photos with this sort of flare, which made me think. I don't know how valid those examples are. Many caudatum have the rims uniform to the rest of the pouch.

    I think plant size was a bonus, and could have been one consideration to why it got a FCC. Your plant is special.

    BTW my Phrag Giganteum (Grande x caudatum) is in bud, and will bloom in the weeks to come, I think the blooms will be similar. My plant has grassier foliage, but it wasn't my choice....internet order.

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    outstanding Grande, love it when you get one with super long petals. and a great simultaneous bloomer too.

    Fren, that "caudatum" picture you found is definitely not caudatum, more likely a Grande. the pouch is a dead giveaway as was mentioned above. If I had a nickel every time I bought a caudatum that bloomed out as Grande...well I'd have a quarter.

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    thanks Jason. well I learned a lot from contributing to this thread

    My Giganteum is in bloom now, and no way is it as good as this awarded plant. Even with the double dose of caudatum my petals aren't as long on its first blooming, nor is the patterning inside the pouch as nice...(I am so jealous!)

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