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Paphipedilum ID please

This is a discussion on Paphipedilum ID please within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; very nice collection of paphs...

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    very nice collection of paphs

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    #4 is concolor. #5 is probably chamberlainianum, not primulinum or glaucophyllum. The rest are hybrids. #3 and #8 may be distinctive enough that someone can identify them, but the others will remain NOIDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaphMadMan View Post
    #4 is concolor. #5 is probably chamberlainianum, not primulinum or glaucophyllum. The rest are hybrids. #3 and #8 may be distinctive enough that someone can identify them, but the others will remain NOIDs.
    I have to concur . #5 is probably a chamberlainianum with those distinct markings on the dorsal. Sorry for the initial ID of primulinum.

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    Thanks everyone for the input...any way of identifying the hybrids?

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    That kinked hooded dorsal sepal is characteristic of P.spicerianum ( pic 1) and also the last but one pic.( it would have helped if you had numbered them). The relatively narrow laterals, arched in that way is another feature of the same species, and again the sharply tapering almost conical pouch .; but many hybrids from that species will have the same characteristics ; looking at the leaves would help a bit - spicerianum ones are fairly narrow, and hybridisation usually leads to a difference there i.e. wider.. The other helpful diagnostic feature in paphs is always the shape of the rostellum - that shield shaped bit in the middle of the flower which more or less hides the pollinia. Paph taxonomy and hybridisation experts tell me that any serious modification to the norm here means a dilution of the original genes -i.e. a hybrid. See the illustrations in Cribb "The Genus Paphiopedilum" and you will see that in the true spicerianum the rostellum is pinched in at the top so far that the edges almost meet. Not so in your flowers. A spicerianum hybrid.
    As to glaucophyllum and all that complex, I have sat in front of plants in flower believed to be liemanianum, chamberlainianum, glaucophyllum, & moquettianum etc., and read and re-read Cribbs description of the differences, and concluded that for me at least, there are none - they are one and the same thing just varying a bit. Maybe , get into the wild, and find a big population and look at lots of plants in a single colony, maybe I'd feel different. But when you have just one plant , it has to go in the tray marked "too difficult". Just believe the label, and when anyone differs, smile, and say, maybe...But the name I'd use for this one would be P.victoria-reginae, because of those dark stripy patches on the dorsal.
    The one above the ( very probably) concolor, looks like the hybrid Ianthe Stage to me ( or - to be more precise, like plants I have flowered with that on the label) with the important exception that it seems to be two flowered with the flowers facing in opposite directions. This is what happens when a normally single flowered species produces two flowers, whereas a true multi-floral hybrid like Ianthe ( which from memory is P.rothschildianum x P sukhakuli) produces it's flowers facing the same way. So this is a single flowered species (?) or hybrid, happening to do two flowers. Maybe sukhakulii - but I doubt it, although I think it is in there somewhere, and this is another hybrid.
    The second pic must be a hybrid ; no alba species is that good.
    The last one could be P.supardii - the clue here apart from that curved drooping lateral shape is the rostellum - from what I can see, it's almost hairy around the edge - which is a key feature - similar to stonei, but more extreme - and stonei has longer petals too ; but again, maybe a hybrid and if so P.Wossner Stonesup ( stonei x supardii) is a possibility, although I have never seen that hybrid.
    Last edited by Dorsetman; November 8th, 2010 at 02:24 PM.

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    Thanks Geoff for the insight. I am still trying to digest all the information, it sure is useful.

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    I had the dubious honour of growing the UK National Collection of Paphs for maybe 15 years - which gives me a remarkable insight into how little I know.....

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