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Paph. vietnamense

This is a discussion on Paph. vietnamense within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I was typing while you posted. Yep, you're absolutely right. No red on the staminodes ...

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    I was typing while you posted.

    Yep, you're absolutely right. No red on the staminodes of vietnamense at all. I'm going to email Le and Jay and tell them.

    Man, what a bummer. Great eye though--glad you found this.

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    Matt, cutural info on vietnamense is very sketchy--

    wow--I'm getting more and more disappointed the more I research this; Jason's totally right--

    I think my friends Le and Jay grew theirs as you would delenatii, but I have a few seedlings left here that I also bought from Antec; I assumed delenatii culture also for them but they're not responding well. Only the largest in the flask have survived (Antec ships flasks that aren't really flasks-- the plants are still in agar, but they transfer them en masse into those clear plastic hamburger containers before they ship) and I think they were deflasked way before the plants were ready. Combine that with culture that may very well not be correct and, well, that's my situation. I think most people are using best guesses at this point.

    I'm also assuming by my difficulty with these that what I've got really is vietnamense. Supposedly Antec was the only nursery that was given the legal go-ahead to sell these, but hell, who knows. The fact that my friends brought theirs from flask to bloom in such a short time (everyone else I've talked to about these is having difficulty similar to mine, citing an incredibly slow-growing nature) points even more to the likelihood that the flask my friends got was Ho Chih Minh and not vietnamense. My delenatii seedlings deflasked at the same time have become giants by comparison.

    The really sucky part for me is that you should have read the pride in the tone of Le and Jay's email when they sent the pic--quite an accomplishment had it really been vietnamense--and their disappointment (and initial disbelief, I would imagine) is going to be equally as great, as was mine when I first read Jason's post.

    Major, major bummer.

    Kev, I can't find any online listings anywhere for vietnamense in bud, and I would imagine (especially now) that one of such plants would run into the several hundreds of dollars, at least. Hybridizers pay small fortunes for breeding stock, especially when plants first become available.

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    sorry louis...

    I hope we're wrong and they just got a 4n vietnamense that's going gangbusters...


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    I don't think so, Tim. I think you guys are totally on the mark. Form and color totally scream a delenatii cross, especially when you look at some pics of Antec's delenatii. And the staminode color totally clinches it as far as I'm concerned; not a single pic of vietnamense that I've seen online has a staminode with that kind of red in it. They're all greenish yellow and white, no exception.

    So....

    Sigh....

    Thank you for the vote of confidence though; you definitely have a very good heart.

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    sorry to burst the proverbial bubble. if it's any consolation, that looks like a *nice* ho chi minh with real good form. I would assume antec would refund the purchase at least, although it is very disappointing to the grower. I know people who still are fuming over those OZ "sandies" that bloomed out crappy PEOYs (if such a thing could be imagined), although part of that might be their refusal to refund.

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    Nah... better to know these things as soon as posible, I think.

    And I've *got* one of those crappy "sandy" PEOYs: 'deep pockets' x 'jacob's ladder.' Still maddening when junk like this happens.

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