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Paphiopedilum philippinense

This is a discussion on Paphiopedilum philippinense within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Thanks for the tip on using the chalk Jojo. You have to tell me your ...

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    Thanks for the tip on using the chalk Jojo. You have to tell me your source for the argus, acmodontum, charlesworthii and sanderianum hehehe.

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    The argus and acmodontum from Ruffa, the vendor selling plants from mindanao at the manila seedling bank.

    My charlesworthii and sanderianum, these I got from overseas in the u.s. long before.
    Last edited by ManilaByNight; April 15th, 2011 at 04:38 PM.

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    Like I needed more reasons to buy more Paphs. These are gorgeous!!!

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    Okay, let's put in a little more science here, folks.

    In 1862 Reichenbach f. described Cypripedium philippinense (the species was moved to Paphiopedilum only in 1892, by Pfitzer) from dried herbarium materials, but of unknown locality. Two years later on the island of Guimaras, John Gould Veitch sent specimens of plants growing on the roots of Vanda batemanii (now Vandopsis lissochiloides) to James Bateman, who then described them as C. laevigatum. Apparently though, he wasn't aware of Reichenbach's earlier C. philippinense, although from his description, his plant fits the concept of C. philippinense. Here's the catch: Bateman described his taxon without the benefit of a type specimen, which means that we cannot say how it differs, if at all, from Reichenbach's C. philippinense. I do not know who started the notion that P. laevigatum comes from Palawan; from the history of this taxon we can conclude that it originally came from Guimaras.

    As for P. roebbelenii, it has been assumed that it differs from P. philippinense based from the following traits: narrower leaves, hairier peduncle, absence of green markings on the staminode and longer petals. But perhaps it would interest the readers to see what Reichenbach f. (who described this entity) said about his C. roebbelenii:
    “The marks on which I rely in adopting Herr Robbelen’s view about the distinction are the following: - The leaves are narrower. The peduncle is more hairy… The staminode is light ochre without the least vestige of those longitudinal and transverse green markings which look so charming in Cypripedium philippinense.”

    Leaf character of P. philippinense is very variable, and those from Mindoro have very short leaves which gives the plants a dwarfed appearance. The flowers however are classic P. philippinense's. The peduncles of P. philippinense are always hairy, and it is a very subjective thing if our topic goes to how hairy a hairy peduncle could be. As for the staminode markings, note that Reichenbach only relayed to us the collector's, the Swiss guy Carl Roebbelin, observations; C. roebbelenii was in fact described from dried flowers, and so Reichenbach and all other human beings apart from Roebbelen himself can really vouch for that. All photos I have seen of plants identified as P. roebbelenii have green staminode markings. As for the petals being longer than those of P. philippinense, all I can say is that I do not know who started that notion, as it wasn't mentioned on the original description. And since no morphological distinction separates P. roebbelenii from P. philippinense, this name, like P. laevigatum, should be sunk under P. philippinense and not be used anymore.

    Then again, collectors want to have more species names around, even if in reality the differences are only on the written letters on the name tags.

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    thanks Wally for explaining and taking your time, great!!!

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    Thanks Ayi for taking time on giving light....

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    Great job Wally. Very informational and educational at the same time. You rock!

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    Stunning, those blooms are so pretty

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    Hi, Randy such a nice plant. I really love Philippine Species. If you don't mind me asking, can you tell me how much this thing cost in the Philippines.

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    very informative thread .. Thanks to all posted some great informations .. Hope this will help for starters ..
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