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Phrag and Paph photos

This is a discussion on Phrag and Paph photos within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Hello everyone. This is my first post here. I am a nature/wildlife/travel photographer and recently ...

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    Hello everyone. This is my first post here. I am a nature/wildlife/travel photographer and recently tried my hand at orchid photography. I'm not sure what species these orchids are. Perhaps someone can help me out. Of course, I should have made a note of what they were when I photographed them.
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    Hi Manchua, welcome!

    Beautiful pics; they look like hybrids to me: the Phrag some sort of Eric Young cross, the Paph possibly a delenatii cross. Bet if Jason comes on tonight he'll be able to pinpoint the identities more precisely.

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    the first could be an eric young or one of its hybrids, i.e sargeant eric. the second one looks like straight up hanne popow to me, except for the color...but it may be a hanne made with a besseae flavum or one of the peach forms.

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    D'oh!

    I saw the color and didn't even think Phrag!


    Ok, somebody shoot me.

    I don't believe I did that.

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    Phew...

    I'm looking at them and thinking, "two phrags...what paph?" Glad I'm not crazy.

    As far as this is concerned...

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    Thanks for the ID tips. So are they both Phrags or is the first one a Paph? I was under the impression that it was a Paph. I'm still a novice at orchids. I was only recently given three Paphs as a present and so I've only just started reading up on them. I think they are even considered in the same category as both are "slipper" orchids. Is that right?

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    Manchua, yes, they're both Phrags.

    Mind fart on my end when I said the second one was a Paph.; I should have looked closer.

    One way to tell Paphs and Phrags apart is by looking at the inner side of the pouch. On Phrags, the top edge at the pouch's perimeter will curl over and back down inside, forming a kind of double wall. Paphs with the exception of the subgenera Parvisepalum and Brachypetalum won't do that. (This is what confused me; delenatii is a Parvi of similar color with a similar infolding of the pouch's top edge.)

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    I am *so* glad Louis called them Paphs. Although I'm getting better at telling them apart, I do mix them up. Glad it's not just me! I'll try using the "double wall" technique to distinguish them. BTW, I'm mostly speaking of photos when I say I mix them up--I find the foliage (seldom visible in photos) very different in Paphs & Phrags.

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    Oh... I could see Louis' confusion with a brachy or parvi paph...

    Yeah, the second one (some sort of besseae hybrid is my guess) is similar enough for that confusion. The first one is certainly phrag.

    If you haven't seen many and have trouble telling paph from phrag (the former being Asian and the latter the New World cousin), cruise through the posts in the Paph/phrag forum. Also check out the RVO catalog. There's variability in both genera, but they're usually distinctly different. Look at enough pictures and you'll soon be able to tell them apart.

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