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a few complex paphs.

This is a discussion on a few complex paphs. within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Complex is understood in the brotherhood of paph growers ( ladies can be in the ...

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    Default a few complex paphs.

    Complex is understood in the brotherhood of paph growers ( ladies can be in the brotherhood - it's not sexist ! ) to mean 2nd and further generation hybrids, which generally speaking are bred aiming for "perfection" - which means a flower which is circular when viewed from the front. Even then there are two alternatives . A flat flower apart from the pouch ( slipper) is the great American dream, whereas the English standard is for a cupped shape, where the eye is "held in" and does not fall over the edge as the flower is scanned. Some of the latest breeding is 14 generations away from the starting point.
    The unique thing about paphs ( which some botanists would say are the only orchids, or alternatively, are in a different family from the orchidacea , namely the cypripediacea ) is that they don't meristem - can't be mass produced vegetatively. So if you fall for, say , P. Maudiae "The Queen" , you have to find someone with a plant who is willing to divide it, and sell you a piece . Unlike say Vuylstekarea Cambria "Plush" where the labs at one time churned out 2 million identical copies every year. Which of course is why you will see them (paphs) at the big shows, on sale, single growth with one flower, priced in hundreds or even thousands of dollars (US) ( for really good ones)and moreover they do sell. I hasten to say I have never paid those prices -most of my plants have been grown ex-flask, or just occasionally I will pay a a lot- I tihnk Hellas was a birthday present a couple of years ago and my wife paid maybe US$200 for it.
    Some of the ones here have been shown by me recently, but I collected them together today to set up a group in the house , with some ferns , and I have not stopped to see which you have seen before,
    As they say in all the best restaurants - enjoy ! p.s. I may need more than one post - so see below too.
    From the top ; Danella "Christmas Cracker" , The group, Hellas "Westonbirt" FCC/RHS, Valwin x In-Charm White.
    And btw the dented pouch is a cultural error, not a genetic thing - it is usually perfect on this respect, but any falling off in growing standards shows up in the flowers.
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    Default 2nd post - Paph Group.

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    The one with the dented pouch - a cultural error this year - is World Treasure "Cleeve Prior" , and the other two are forms of British Bulldog x Avenger,

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    I love this complex hybrids all are beautiful. How big is the individual diameter?

    Sad this wonderful creatures cannot blooom in lowland, thank Geoff for sharing with us great shots.Zain

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    Love the photos.

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    Danella is the smallest at 4 inch natural spread and a dorsal of 3 inch width ;the others are up to 5 inches (World Treasure) and have dorsals 3 and a half inch wide or 4 inch wide ( World Treasure again).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetman View Post
    Danella is the smallest at 4 inch natural spread and a dorsal of 3 inch width ;the others are up to 5 inches (World Treasure) and have dorsals 3 and a half inch wide or 4 inch wide ( World Treasure again).
    Thanks again for the info.

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    Beautiful paph orchids. I only have two or three 'bulldog' type slipper orchids, but always love them. Yours are so beautiful.

    cheers,
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    Thanks, Geoff, for the primer on complex paphs! I find it quite confusing to separate out the different hybrids - i.e., "standard-complex"? As for the cost, NOW that I see your Hellas, I understand why my first foray into this area, an unregistered cross (Golden Chalice x Pittsburg) was twice the price of my usual Maudiae types - Golden Chalice has Hellas as one parent.

    One culturing problem I run into all the time with most of my paphs - with the exception of my multi-growth spicerianum, is positioning the front of the bloom to face out from between the two sides of the "fan" - that and keeping from injuring and/or bending the stem in my attempts to make them behave the way I want them to. There's some perfect medium between ignoring them and torturing them, but I haven't quite found it (yet).

    All of yours are lovely, although I'm partial to burgundy/purples. Does it have some parvisepalum in it? I should just look it up, but your explanations are always more interesting than OWiz's.
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    Those are some stunning paphs.

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    World Treasure has an especially pleasing form to me despite the dented toe of the slipper. Such a wonderfully round form.......

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