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Paph. rothschildianum 'Mont Milais' FCC/RHS

This is a discussion on Paph. rothschildianum 'Mont Milais' FCC/RHS within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Simply stunning plant!...

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    Simply stunning plant!

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    Your collection is always amazing! Nice one!

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    Really dramatic blooms--I would love to have one of these but don't have the space for it right now.

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    This was, if you didn't know, the best variety of the species in the collection of the late Eric Young , whose orchids make up the Eric Young Foundation. I believe it was one of the parents of P.rothschildiana ' Commander' FCC, which was shown with blooms 12 inches across. But, the way I heard it, none of these was wild collected. An English orchid grower, now deceased, whose name I have forgotten,(Jim, something - he was a medical doctor, somewhere in the north of England) successfully raised a flask from a pod obtained in the East (?) and showed a lot - 20 or so ? Plants all in flower at an RHS meeting 30 or maybe longer - memory is not reliable for dates like that - or so years ago, at a time when Roth' was just a picture in a book so far as everyone was concerned. This was an absolute sensation ! and led to its recollection, and a roth rush, and maybe helped restart paph growing as a serious thing - aided probably by the new species which started to come out of China, when their leaders opened the doors to the West, after Chairman Mao went.

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    Thanks Geoff, for this little piece of orchid lore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catttan View Post
    Thanks Geoff, for this little piece of orchid lore.
    This got me thinking about Eric Young, and trying to put dates on things. I can date it quite specifically that the first time i saw the Eric Young Collection was in July 1965 , when it was at La Trinitie ( I think that was the name of the house) and Mont Millais was the name of the "hill" on the outskirts of the town where the house was located. I asked to see the collection with a letter of introduction ( how very formal we were in those days ! ) from the Editor of The Orchid Review, for whom I was writing a monthly column ( nowadays there are only 4 issues a year, then it was monthly). I was on holiday in Jersey as we didn't want to take our new baby to Italy or Greece, where we normally had holidays, for reasons of hygiene etc. Eric invited me to dinner - told me to leave my wife and baby in the hotel, so that we could talk orchids - "come at 5pm" he said . He handed me over to his head grower - he has three full time orchid growers plus a couple of boys to clean pots in his orchid collection - it was by far the bggest I had ever seen. The head grower gave me the tour and had instructions to return me at 7pm for a pre-dinner drink - I don't think we had quite finished seeing all the plants by that time. Then Eric tried to sell me the idea of moving to Jersey - "income tax at 9p in the pound" - and a pound had 240p in those pre-decimal days...I had to tell him that whilst it had its attractions, the big problem would be that if I did move , I would likely have little income to pay tax on, as my clients were mostly the industrial companies of the Black Country ( a smoke filled zone in those days, in the middle of England). I think he was lonely ( he never married,and was never seen with any companion ) and lacked intellectual conversation, and especially orchid conversation. Eric was just starting to get his reputation as a grower of very fine orchids - as a very rich man - reputed to have a finger in every pie in the island of Jersey , and one who bought his seedlings by the hundred, he had every possibility. But as far as I know he never handled the plants himself. Of course he set up the Foundation to take his money and his plants and run it via a trust , and by the time he died the collection had alrwady moved to Victoria, a few miles away where it is now. When I first saw it at Victoria, maybe 20 years ago, there were 5 greenhouses, all 120 feet long, all 30 feet wide , plus trhe seedling houses, labs, etc etc. The interesting thing to anyone used to amateur greenhouses was the height - about 30 feet - which is now the norm in the big mass production greenhouses in Europe for reasons of buffering the temperature etc. I could go on, but I expect I am the only one reading this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetman View Post
    This got me thinking about Eric Young, and trying to put dates on things. I can date it quite specifically that the first time i saw the Eric Young Collection was in July 1965 , when it was at La Trinitie ( I think that was the name of the house) and Mont Millais was the name of the "hill" on the outskirts of the town where the house was located. I asked to see the collection with a letter of introduction ( how very formal we were in those days ! ) from the Editor of The Orchid Review, for whom I was writing a monthly column ( nowadays there are only 4 issues a year, then it was monthly). I was on holiday in Jersey as we didn't want to take our new baby to Italy or Greece, where we normally had holidays, for reasons of hygiene etc. Eric invited me to dinner - told me to leave my wife and baby in the hotel, so that we could talk orchids - "come at 5pm" he said . He handed me over to his head grower - he has three full time orchid growers plus a couple of boys to clean pots in his orchid collection - it was by far the bggest I had ever seen. The head grower gave me the tour and had instructions to return me at 7pm for a pre-dinner drink - I don't think we had quite finished seeing all the plants by that time. Then Eric tried to sell me the idea of moving to Jersey - "income tax at 9p in the pound" - and a pound had 240p in those pre-decimal days...I had to tell him that whilst it had its attractions, the big problem would be that if I did move , I would likely have little income to pay tax on, as my clients were mostly the industrial companies of the Black Country ( a smoke filled zone in those days, in the middle of England). I think he was lonely ( he never married,and was never seen with any companion ) and lacked intellectual conversation, and especially orchid conversation. Eric was just starting to get his reputation as a grower of very fine orchids - as a very rich man - reputed to have a finger in every pie in the island of Jersey , and one who bought his seedlings by the hundred, he had every possibility. But as far as I know he never handled the plants himself. Of course he set up the Foundation to take his money and his plants and run it via a trust , and by the time he died the collection had alrwady moved to Victoria, a few miles away where it is now. When I first saw it at Victoria, maybe 20 years ago, there were 5 greenhouses, all 120 feet long, all 30 feet wide , plus trhe seedling houses, labs, etc etc. The interesting thing to anyone used to amateur greenhouses was the height - about 30 feet - which is now the norm in the big mass production greenhouses in Europe for reasons of buffering the temperature etc. I could go on, but I expect I am the only one reading this stuff.
    I'm reading!! Fascinating story. Thanks so much for sharing it, Geoff.

    cheers,
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    I'm impressed, Geoff..... imagine meeting the Great Man himself and having dinner with him!!! The only times I've ever been in his 'presence' were the 3 times I attended the WOC and stood in awe in front of his displays: 2 unforgettable sights that I'll cherish forever; his Cymbidiums (WOC, KLumpur) and the Paph Gloria Naugle's (WOC, Spore). But I do have a piece of orchid legend, the Den Gatton Sunray 'Excelsior' FCC RHS, a gift from Eric Young to my uncle in 1958, and I still have a cutting from that plant.

    If I ever have the opportunity to visit England again, I'll make it a point to visit the Channel Islands, in particular Jersey, where you have 2 of the greatest National Trusts, the Eric Young Foundation and the Gerald Durrell Zoo. I've read every book by Gerald Durrell and so have my 3 sons. I started all of their reading with 'My Family and Other Animals'.

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    Exceptional circumstances and meeting exceptional human beings such as you describe Geoff always make for a good read, especially with a little insight as you have given in your narrative. AL

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    Super read. All very interesting.

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