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Alien Paph

This is a discussion on Alien Paph within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Matt, Your prim flower may have been gnarly/mutated but the successive growth habit is correct ...

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    Matt,
    Your prim flower may have been gnarly/mutated but the successive growth habit is correct for the species.

    The spoof at the top of this thread has the bud stem protruding from the pouch of the flower.

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    Quote: "but the successive growth habit is correct for the species."

    Garland-

    Actually not...I confirmed with a very reputable species grower here in MN that the new bud was developing straight out of the middle of the mutated flower, not off the main inflorescence. If I had removed the mutated flower there would have been no choice but to take the new bud as it was developing off the end of the stem of the mutated flower, not off the inflorescence as stated. He said he had never seen this before (the next bud coming from a stem), but did say that the flower mutation itself was fairly common for a first blooming.

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    Sorry, but successive flower growth IS the norm for the Cochlopetalum section of paphs which includes primulinum. You can look it up at a number of species sites.

    Your latest flower may indeed be producing a bud directly from the flower but that is not normal; first bloom or otherwise. All spike-development bets are off when you get a deformed/retarded flower on a successive bloomer.

    I have bloomed 6 or so prim seedlings and a fair number of other slipper species and hybrids and none developed deformed flowers on any blooming with good culture. Perhaps genetics plays a part, perhaps I've just been lucky. I have never bought or bloomed any peloric plants.

    It will be interesting to see if this new bud develops.

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    one question: got super-thrive? I've seen some really twisted stuff arise when those hormones are used in too high a dose.

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    Garland-

    Quote: "Your latest flower may indeed be producing a bud directly from the flower but that is not normal; first bloom or otherwise."

    This is exactly what I was trying to say. Your original post sounded like you were stating that it was normal for a bud to develop from the stem rather than successively off the main inflorescence. So there never was any debate, just misunderstanding of your statement given the arrangement/context it was made in.

    BTW, the new bud developed normally but I cut the spike shortly after it opened to help the plant focus its energies into the new growth, on the recommendation of the grower and several replies to my original post. The new growth is coming along in excellent fashion.

    Ptaszek- Any updates on this?!?!

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    Sadly, no luck. My second visit to the gardens didn't provide any useful information. This picture below was taken about 2 weeks after the original pictures. The flowers faded out quickly. Or this is an entirely different plant. It was in the same spot as the previous plant though. The name tag says it's Paph. g. Selligerum. Sorry for the bad quality. I guess this plant will remain a mystery.


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    my guess is someone knocked over a phrag bud...and some wiseguy stuck it into a paph pouch for kicks. or maybe the guilty party stuck it in there.

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    If I remember correctly one can not prove the negative or that something doesn't exist. For to do so you would need evidence that it doesn't exist. You can say it is improbable but never say impossible for the world will prove you wrong... in example the platypus. Egg laying furred, billed, milk giving creature. I'm sure someone said to someone else - you'll never find one of those.

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