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Paph. roebelinii 'Big Brother' X haynaldianum

This is a discussion on Paph. roebelinii 'Big Brother' X haynaldianum within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Thanks, Jason! I was asking about the leaf span of your P. philippinense var. alba, ...

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    Thanks, Jason!

    I was asking about the leaf span of your P. philippinense var. alba, because mine was sold as blooming size, and I was surprised at how small the leaves are. The bigger leaves are 5-7" long, yet it has two growths of nearly the same size. Will it wait until the leaves are bigger, or does the second growth signal that it's getting ready to bloom? My lowii waited until its leafspan was huge before it bloomed for the first time, and it only has a single growth. I'm thinking I won't be seeing a bloom next year on it...

    And yet the venustum seedling I just got has two growths and it's itty bitty. Its longest leaf is 3", yet the 2nd growth isn't too much smaller than the first.

    I'm quite confused as to what my expectations should be.

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    I don't know if you got all the plants together in one shipment, but the term "blooming size" and "NBS" have been so bastardized by growers as to be almost meaningless. Even good growers have different definitions for these terms.

    back to the phil alba, our plants are of different sib/outcrosses. this species varies greatly as to flower and plant characteristics. It is possible that plants from your cross tend to be smaller than those from my cross. Usually a 2nd growth is produced when the first is more or less mature, although occasionally you will see a plant that never seems to grow "right" have a smallish first growth and then just give up and sprout some new growths (which may or may not develop normally). I have had a grand total of 4 philippinense, a regular form that has narrow leaves and 14-20" LS at maturity, one now-deceased regular form that had wide leaves and a 12-15" LS, the aforementioned phil alba, and another one that has yet to bloom, but which has a growth at 14" or so and now a new growth.

    as long as the roots are good, I think your plant will be in good shape.

    venustum is a compact plant, but mature growths oughta run in the 8-14" range. it's possible that the first growth is small (and will not bloom), and hopefully the next growth will fully mature.

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    Thanks so much, Jason!

    I don't know either, but I'll keep all posted. It will be yet another data point for itty bitty Paph. seedling owners.

    Julie

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    Gorgeous blooms on your Paphs, Gin and Eve! Thanks for sharing.
    BTW, Julie, some of your plants are small. It looks like they have much growing to do, especially the roth and the sand and their hybrids! However, the others could bloom any time!
    Cheers. Hoa.

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