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Another Paph IQ

This is a discussion on Another Paph IQ within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Yeah, glad people had fun! It surely was an interesting one for me!...

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    Yeah, glad people had fun! It surely was an interesting one for me!

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    well being out of commission for a few days it looks like the answer is unravelled. however I would bet my bottom dollar (not that I have many above bottom) that it is not PEOY x sanderianum. aside from the shape which is all wrong, those petals look very pink at the end and you just don't get that from roths or sandy. those petals would be more typical of lowii, haynaldianum, or even appletonianum, but not from any bona fide coryo that I know of. and a few years ago a nursery out of Taiwan sold quite a few bogus flasks of "sandy" hybrids that bloomed out like jerry spence or something similar. if this were my plant, I would be questioning the source and asking for a refund.

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    I just have to agree with Jason on this one. That plant can't be a true Shin-Yi Prince with 3/4 sanderianum. The pink coloration at the tip of the petals is very troubling. But I am not aware of any thing like Julius x sander or Houghtoniae x sander yet?

    I also wonder if they use an OZ sanderianum which was in fact another PEOY. In such a cross, PEOY x PEOY, the chance for gene mismatch in offspring is even greater, that might give you some of the outliers of the cross looking like that? What do you guys think?
    Cheers. Hoa.

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    I'm not certain there's ANY sanderianum in there. you can't say there's not, but there's no clear reason to think there necessarily is in my opinion. I do not see those petal tips coming from any coryo--seems like lowii/haynaldianum is most likely, or even some of the maudiae-types. but aside from the obvious pink petals, their width argues against coryo too--remember stonei platytaenium, if it existed at all, has been lost for a century. (and on the line drawing that wasn't pink either).

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    A coryo x pardalo cross (like the fat Berenice that we saw at the fair from Norito Hasegawa) could give you pretty fat petals. I repost that picture here so we can look at it. I saw Norito again last night and he showed that plant one more time. I asked whether it could be a tetraploid. He said the plant is most likely so. There were other multifloral paphs (pure coryo crosses) being exhibited at the meeting last night and I can tell you, the petals are thin. That tetraploid Berenice beats them all in the girdth department of the petals! I also asked him how can that happen? He said polyploidy arises quite spontaneously in orchids lot of times!
    Could it be that Colin's mystery plant is a STUMPY tetraploid of coryo/pardalo or coryo/coryo crosses?
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    I think lowii is high up on the list given the thick pink petals and inverted teardrop dorsal.

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    By the tail end of this contest, I was thinking supardii would give a lot of that petal thickness, spotting, and ribbony edge. It, however, does nothing towards the pink. Possibly a supardii x lowii cross, or a supardii x Berenice?

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    The thought of throwing supardii into the mix also crossed my mind when I was seriously thinking about this puzzle. But supardii has pretty unique petal stance. Another issue is that I think the spots resulting from lowii or related species crosses are different from the spots seen in Colin's mystery plant.

    Cheers. Hoa.

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    peloric???

    I still think there's a philippinense in there

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