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ID Help on a Phrag

This is a discussion on ID Help on a Phrag within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; May I make a little additional suggestion for you database? Would it be worth assigning ...

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    May I make a little additional suggestion for you database? Would it be worth assigning row numbers, tiers etc so that you can assign the plant a position on the catalogue. not only would you be able to go and put your hands on it straight away, but you could compare plants in different locations around the greenhouse and see what works where at the touch of a button. Or is that something you are already doing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry View Post
    May I make a little additional suggestion for you database? Would it be worth assigning row numbers, tiers etc so that you can assign the plant a position on the catalogue. not only would you be able to go and put your hands on it straight away, but you could compare plants in different locations around the greenhouse and see what works where at the touch of a button. Or is that something you are already doing?
    Good idea and I thought about that, but since both LJA and I play in the GH, things move around for 'testing', photographs, etc. I can be assured to put things back in the same place where I got them (well, most of the time), but LJA, well.... LOL. Besides, I have already got about 1/4 of the listings into the html already. I am now just copying and pasting page layouts and building from my templates I have created. Maybe after I get all the data in a system I can go back and edit and add in locations/positions. I know some folks like to list when a plant was re-potted or the bloom date. That is just way to much info for me. I try to write the repot date on my plant tags as I repot, but that is about it.

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    nice phrag! It definitely has either caudatum or warscewiczianum in it (not sure the RHS has accepted popowii yet, and my personal beliefs are that they should NOT). I would guess wars/caudatum x either SA or sargentianum (although lindleyanum and kaieteurum are also interchangable). petal color is rich and points to wars, although you also get that rich red from the sargentianum complex. any of these names ring a bell on the order log?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmoney View Post
    nice phrag! It definitely has either caudatum or warscewiczianum in it (not sure the RHS has accepted popowii yet, and my personal beliefs are that they should NOT). I would guess wars/caudatum x either SA or sargentianum (although lindleyanum and kaieteurum are also interchangable). petal color is rich and points to wars, although you also get that rich red from the sargentianum complex. any of these names ring a bell on the order log?
    Oh. I thought that we had the right name. Here is the image I found after Ron's suggestion. What do you think?
    My original image

    The one I found on-line.


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    the dorsel sepal is quite different

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    Phrag. Les Drouilles was my first thought. The staminode looks very similar to Les Drouilles, because of the longifolium influence (the dark hairs on the top of the staminode).
    Definitely has caudatum type in it
    I think the pouch is not round enough to be a Red Lighting, though I have not seen any of these in person or how much it varies. Both sargentianum and popowii have round pouches, not as outward pointing rim to the pouch
    I think it has to have longifolium or pearcei in it because of those dark hair on the top of the stamiode, and the defined rim of the pouch I've noticed are also typical of these crosses

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    there's one well-known orchid grower who is pushing for the use of this "popowii" business--the short story is that what we know as wallisii was actually described initially as warscewiczianum, and therefore what we know as wars needs a new name (and there is no shortage of people willing to provide that). back to the photos, I think it would take a real expert to nail down exactly what it is, since it would fall into the realm of many possible hybrids. all would contain longifolium and either caudatum or warscewiczianum (probably the latter), and possibly some sargentianum mixed in there as well. how long are the petals?

    for reference, this was my SA x wars, which I've given away to someone here (julie maybe?) this flower was more unusual in coloration and petal spread; the typical Inti's Tears looks more like your flower with downswept petals and without this orangey overlay.


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    Jason's Inti's Tears is remarkably similar to BD's plant! The markings inside the pouch look the same
    perhaps Phrag. Sorcerer's Apprentice is a parent somewhere
    Les Dirouilles is SA x grande
    Phrag Bel Croute seems like another possiblilty

    Check this out Inti's Tears:
    http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchid...-caudatum.html
    and this Bel Croute:
    http://www.rv-orchidworks.com/orchid...el-croute.html

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