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Phal. Bellina

This is a discussion on Phal. Bellina within the Phalaenopsis, Oncidium, & Intergenerics IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I hate to re-hash old threads. However just to let you know Phalphanatic is completely ...

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    I hate to re-hash old threads. However just to let you know Phalphanatic is completely wrong.
    He is right that P. Bellina was called P. Violacea var. Borneo, but that is about it.
    You can not differentiate P. Bellina by color. Shape is the determening factor here. Things were so screwed up for so long it tends to be more a crap shoot than anything as to what is what. There are pure Violacea now that are all blue, and purple, white. Also Bellina that is white, dark, light, green. You should know that out of every flask there is a wide variety of color variation in species and in hybrids. To determine that one has a hybrid rather than a species based on how far the color goes is nieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phalphanatic View Post
    I hate to tell you, this is a cross of Phalaenopsis (bellina x violacea). Now that P. bellina is reclassified by Christensen, what use to be considered P. (violacea var. Borneo x violacea) or vice versa is now considered a primary hybrid. Good flower. Thanks for sharing.
    I agree completely. it is surely a phal samera (violacea X bellina) = (violacea X violacea Borneo).
    They do not have same appearances and especially the same gradation colour. For some, the distinction between samera and bellina is not easy to see but for this one it is clear!

    The origin of the problem was at the beginning the 2 species were confused and crossed. Therefore a lot of bellina was sold but are samera.

    Anyway, that does not prevent that the phalaenopsis presented is very beautiful
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    I want one too! Another to add to the "find and buy" list. My husbands gonna love you guys giving me all these ideas....lol.
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    I don't know about anyone else, but I am confused. I think I need to re-read the whole thread... a third time...

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    The bellina/violacea phal is truly my favourite and I'm currently hunting for all three colorations. This one is veeeeery beautiful indeed!! I'm so jealous!

    BTW, I thought that violacea var. borneo was named bellina, and that the blue varieties are called violacea var. coerulea, and a white-green variety called var. alba.

    I didn't know that they were a different species, I only thought that a species category was renamed.

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    I have to disagree, Thach. While coloration is similar between Phal bellina and Phal violacea, it is a characteristic that separates the species. Christensen writes, "P. bellina...[has] greenish white flowers with purple suffusion restricted to the lateral sepals, the bases of the dorsal sepal and petals, and the lip and the column. These are unlike the true P. violacea...which bear flowers completely suffused with purple (often with greenish tips to the sepals and petals.)"

    Yes, bellina petals are ovate and dilated, while violacea petals are elliptic. But these are subtle differences, and often mistaken. There's nothing naive about an incorrect identification.

    I think the most singular difference between the species is the scent: P. bellina has a Fruit Loop scent, quite lemony. P. violacea is very spicy and not at all similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiovannaD View Post
    The bellina/violacea phal is truly my favourite and I'm currently hunting for all three colorations. This one is veeeeery beautiful indeed!! I'm so jealous!

    BTW, I thought that violacea var. borneo was named bellina, and that the blue varieties are called violacea var. coerulea, and a white-green variety called var. alba.

    I didn't know that they were a different species, I only thought that a species category was renamed.
    @GiovannaD

    take a look at P. violacea Murtoniana var . 'Leprechaun'...
    I mean Murtoniana form is amazing, must have if you like violaceas & beliinas
    Phal_violacea_Murtoniana

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    Oh no...Now why would you do that? Not another variant!! Not now that I've already ordered flask of 25 bellinas! I am kinda hoping for a variation in the pigment of the ordered batch but this is something else!
    Now I've got to have it!

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