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Howeara Lava Burst

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    Are there other hybrids in the genus Howeara Lava Burst besides 'Puanani'? Could there be 'Pacific Sunrise'? Any others?

    Elissamiranda posted her 'Puanani' which is quite different in color than mine.
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    Mine does not have the pronounced yellow.
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    These are so pretty, I'm not really sure if there other hybrids in the genus Howeara Lava Burst besides 'Puanani', but I'd like to know also

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    Hi all,

    Just to clarify, the genus is simply Howeara. Lava Burst is one grex in the genus Howeara. 'Puanani' is a particular clone of Lava Burst. I have found two other clones of Lava Burst listed in OrchidWiz, San Damiano & San Damiano II. All three have been awarded. OrchidWiz only mentions awarded clones, so there could be others.

    Joe, it also lists other members of the genus Howeara. I don't know if you are interested in them or whether it was just clones of Lava Burst you were interested in. One almost certainly worth mentioning is Howeara Mini Primi. It's the parent or grandparent of virtually all the other members in the genus! If you are interested, I can list the rest--there are about 10 in total.

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    Rob, thank you. Can you name mine and Elissamiranda's Howearas? Are they different from one another?
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    I saw one of these at an orchid show/sale awhile back and fell in love with the whole thing. Some day I may have to get one....are they easy growers??
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeW View Post
    Rob, thank you. Can you name mine and Elissamiranda's Howearas? Are they different from one another?
    Hwra Lava Burst

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    Hi Joe. Theoretically your plant & Elissamiranda's plant should be identical. A clonal name indicates all such plants were vegetatively propagated from one original plant grown from seed--not necessarily mericloned, as they could be from divisions or backbulbs, as well. So, your respective plants 'Puanani' originally came from the same individual seedling.

    Having said all that, though, I'm in total agreement that the two plants (yours & Elissamiranda's) do look different. Sometimes different culture can cause slight differences in appearance, but that's usually related to number, size or presentation of flowers, rather than such differences in coloring of flowers. Of the two of them, your plant looks more like the other photos I've seen of 'Puanani' flowers. (I definitely think both are Howeara Lava Burst, whether or not they're both 'Puanani'.)

    It's possible some grower had two different clones in his/her care and labels got mixed up and the "wrong" ones got sold as 'Puanani'. Another possibility is there was a mutation somewhere along the line. Although relatively rare, mericlone tissue culture occasionally does result in the odd new plant being different. Technically, such a plant should still be entitled to being called by the same clonal name, but in my opinion, such sports really ought to get a new (clonal) name.

    If you see a Howeara Lava Burst with no clonal name for sale, it probably means it was a seedling. If you purchase such a plant, there's nothing to stop you from giving it a clonal name. Unlike grex names, which are registered with agencies like the RHS, clonal names have no "official" standing until they get judged by the AOS or similar bodies.

    I always encourage people to give plants a clonal name, even if they don't intend to show them or have them judged. That way, if you later sell or trade divisions and, later still, the recipients sell or trade them, you can know the plants all originated with one particular original plant. There are a few plants floating around in my OS that originated from single plants like that--sometimes with a clonal name, but not always, for sure.

    I hope this is somewhat helpful, and I haven't rambled on for too long.

    Cheers,
    Rob

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    Rob, thanks for your time and a lot of help. Joe

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    Thanks Rob!

    Cheers,
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    Hi again,

    I *knew* I'd forgotten something! Connie's question. I meant to respond to it in my previous post, but got so involved with my discussion, it slipped my mind. My bad! Anyhow, Connie, I've never tried one, myself. I certainly intended to, before I reluctantly came to the conclusion most Oncidium Alliance plants don't do well for me. I do know several people who have it, though. Their opinions vary as to its ease of culture. One woman I know finds it easy to grow & bloom. Another guy swears at this whole genera. Mind you, I think his opinion was ruined by his repeated attempts to grow Lava Burst's parent Howeara Mini Primi. It seems to be fussy, insisting on high humidity; Lava Burst seems to be much less demanding. Every once in awhile, a store will get a shipment of Hwra Lava Burst and there will inevitably be some that don't sell and lose their blooms. You might be lucky to pick one of those up as a bargain!

    Cheers,
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    Very nice colors. Congrats

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