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Colmanara Wildcat "Dark Star"

This is a discussion on Colmanara Wildcat "Dark Star" within the Phalaenopsis, Oncidium, & Intergenerics IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; I looked at Orchidwiz before writing this piece, and see the various clones of Wildcat ...

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    Default Colmanara Wildcat "Dark Star"

    I looked at Orchidwiz before writing this piece, and see the various clones of Wildcat such as "Gold Ring" and "Green Valley" which I have never seen in Europe - and now see why that pic being discussed yesterday was identified as a a Wildcat - I said I thought Jungle Monarch. But here's how to tell ; the Wildcats are much bigger than Jungle Monarch. I would suggest , over 4 cm ( 1.75 inch) , and up to maybe 7cm ( 2.5 inch) - Wildcat. Under that size and typically 3 - 3.5cm ( 1.25-1.5 inch - Jungle Monarch.

    The ones sold in Europe have included Bobcat, Red Bobcat, Carmela ( all of which I have) -all meristem propagations of course; I also bought a flask once from a re-make in the Portugese island of Madeira , and got two different forms from that.

    This one ( meristemmed) is Dark Star. The plant shown is a back-bulb prop I took in February this year, when I repotted my bigger plant ; actually two bulbs, one leafless and one with a single leaf. It made a decent bulb and this is not bad for a plant 10 months old I think. The parent btw has two spikes getting up to a metre high with branches, no flowers out yet. Actual flower size here - the largest of them - 6.5cm, which is just over 2 1/2 inches.
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    How sure are you of that name? I've seen this plant advertised as Colmanara Massai "Massai Splash". As opposed to Colm. Massai "Red", which has no spotting on the lip.

    I have one like in your photo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubed View Post
    How sure are you of that name? I've seen this plant advertised as Colmanara Massai "Massai Splash". As opposed to Colm. Massai "Red", which has no spotting on the lip.

    I have one like in your photo...
    Answer - if I believe the label it had on when it came, then of course I am 100% sure, but...long experience teaches me that some dealers make up names, so as to be able to offer something different, or to be able to put a name on to something which lost its label, etc..
    I have looked at Wildcat on Orchidwiz and a couple of clones have similar colouring notably "Blood Ruby" , the only, but very significant difference being the lip shape. All of the clones illustrated - 36 images - have violin shaped lips ; my plant doesn't. I looked up your Masai Red ( this is the only Oncid hybrid listed having spelling anywhere near your name ) and the general shape, and shape of lip , also colouring of tepals, is spot on.
    BTW Masai Red is the whole name - its not Masai "red" . So maybe this plant I have is Masai Red "Masai Splash' .... .or Masai Red "Splash" - but cuiltivar names are not registered anyway.

    So there we are ; probability , my plant is another clone of Masai Red .

    BTW Dark Star is used as the grex name, and/or cultivar name, quite a lot, by a nursery --; interestingly enough, and as circumstantial evidence in confirmation, they don't have any Wildcat cvs on their web-site.

    thanks for pointing this out.
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    Beautiful flowers in any event!

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    I most certainly agree with Paul ( Pavel ) no matter the name...the orchid is very beautiful! Betty :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcubed View Post
    How sure are you of that name? I've seen this plant advertised as Colmanara Massai "Massai Splash". As opposed to Colm. Massai "Red", which has no spotting on the lip.

    I have one like in your photo...
    ps There are no Colmanaras any more - they are Odontocidiums. At least the entry for Masai implies as much, in Orchidwiz.
    Actually this doesn't make sense to me - I thought that this last sweeping revision by the DNA experts at Kew had ruled there were no odontoglossums any more - they are all oncidiums....so there cannot be any odontocidiums ? Or is this a case where the Registrar is allowed to be different from the International Rules ?
    BTW the third genus involved is Miltonia ( not miltoniopsis) so Colmanaras ought to be Miltonidiums ?

    I'm lost - I think I'll just leave the label where it is.

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    beautiful. i have the col. wildcat, but not any hybrids.

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    A dark and beautiful wildcat! The bloom spike looks so elegant. I bet this one ends up in the basket for display!

    Cheers,
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    Another beauty that likes living under your care. AL

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    Another beauty but it sure looks diff from th wildcat I know.
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