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Two Oncid-types - one question

This is a discussion on Two Oncid-types - one question within the Phalaenopsis, Oncidium, & Intergenerics IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; These are two of my oncidium alliance orchids in bloom right now. Both were tagged, ...

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    Default Two Oncid-types - one question

    These are two of my oncidium alliance orchids in bloom right now. Both were tagged, but the Taylor Barfield seems wrong to me.

    The first 2 photos are of Oncidium Sweet Sugar - a classic dancing-ladies

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    On these 2, the tag reads: Od. Taylor Barfield 'This and That'
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    Every odontia, odontoglossum, and every other "od." I've looked up shows this plant has flowers with red spots. This one doesn't have a single one - each flower is a perfect miniature narcissus-looking bloom - pale yellow petals, deeper yellow center.

    Anyone have any clues? i haven't had time to put OrchidWiz on my Mac yet, so I'm limited.

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    The last one is very pretty. Looks like an intergeneric to me--similar to a degamoara like
    Degarmoara Winter Wonderland 'White Fairy'

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    Wow what beauties!! I really love the Oncidiums esp sweet sugar. It is on my wish list already but if it wasn't it would be now. The other one, Odontoglossum is beautiful too. I have beallara tahoma glacier.
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    i dunno what the second one is but I sure love it...!

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    I love it too...we must find its proper name!!! From the pics of Od. Taylor Barfield 'This and That', it appears that maybe it is a sibling from the same grex? It looks just like This and That, but without the spots. Anyway, it is lovely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kmac View Post
    I love it too...we must find its proper name!!! From the pics of Od. Taylor Barfield 'This and That', it appears that maybe it is a sibling from the same grex? It looks just like This and That, but without the spots. Anyway, it is lovely!

    Thanks - I thought it was pretty, too, and I'd never seen one quite like it. It's a young plant and this is at the most its second blooming, so the spike (and you can't tell from the picture that this orchid is 4' tall and has a lacy, branched shape) is relatively delicate and the flowers not exactly what I would call "floriferous", but they're evenly spaced and don't look pathetic. I'm really frustrated that it isn't what the tag says - although it's close. I think you're likely on-target, Kathi, to suggest they've been messing around with the same grex trying to eliminate the spots and didn't have a tag ready for it when it worked out. I think it's some kind of odontoglossum hybrid, but exactly what, I haven't a clue. Again, I know I probably need OrchidWiz, and I'm working on that, but I haven't been feeling so great, so I'm running behind. I'm including a picture of the leaves, which look to me to have a sort of Miltonia somewhere in them - they look more like my Miltassia Royal Robe 'Abby's Wonder' HCC/AOS (I get such a kick out of writing that!).

    Here is a photo of the pseudobulbs and leaves at the plant base (remember that this spike goes 4' tall and these leaves are on the short, green, and very plentiful end of things):


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    Thanks,

    Maura

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janet View Post
    The last one is very pretty. Looks like an intergeneric to me--similar to a degamoara like
    Degarmoara Winter Wonderland 'White Fairy'
    Never seen that one - I'll have to look it up - thanks.

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    Flowers on that second one are lovely!

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    There is an awarded clone 'Sweet Innocence' HCC/AOS that looks very much like your flower except for rust spots, mostly on the sepals. Otherwise, white sepals and petals, bright yellow lip-5.5 cm flowers. As for the appearance of the plant, before the last round of reclassifications this was an Odontioda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Saar View Post
    There is an awarded clone 'Sweet Innocence' HCC/AOS that looks very much like your flower except for rust spots, mostly on the sepals. Otherwise, white sepals and petals, bright yellow lip-5.5 cm flowers. As for the appearance of the plant, before the last round of reclassifications this was an Odontioda.
    Thank you, Michael - I do know that there are at least 2 clones of Odontioda Taylor Barfield - the 'Sweet Innocence' and the 'This and That', but as you noted yourself, is a pure pale yellow with deeper yellow center - no spots whatsoever anywhere. To me it looks like one of the wilder narcissus that bloom in the spring. I can't find the nursery that grew it, so I can't be sure of the parentage, although I suspect that is a tweaked Taylor Barfield. I just wonder what you'd use to eliminate the spots.

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