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Phalaenopsis Tzu Chiang Tetralitz

This is a discussion on Phalaenopsis Tzu Chiang Tetralitz within the Phalaenopsis, Oncidium, & Intergenerics IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; Originally Posted by bechinolina ho my god!!! this could be sold as speciosa alba... really ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bechinolina View Post
    ho my god!!! this could be sold as speciosa alba...

    really nice AND interesting!
    I initially thought as alba form of tetrapis but broad petals made me think twice thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrchidAddict View Post
    I find it absolutely fascinating how many different patterns the tetraspis can come in. I've seen varieties with a one red petal and one red sepal, with the rest being white; I've seen them with just "bars" of red (that appears to be the type used in this cross), and various different combinations of splotched red tips and such. The reason I haven't bought one yet is that I am looking to get into Phal breeding, and I don't know how these different types will express themselves in a cross. I do tend to gravitate toward the very star-shaped clones that have 2 parts red to 3 parts white, but that may come out looking odd when crossed with a species phal with a more full, graceful form.

    I do like how the bars on this one show up a subtle yellow. It's very classy and understated, and it makes for a graceful overall flower. I think, depending on which tetraspis is used for this cross, there's a potential to come out with a splotchy mess... hence why I'm being really careful about which tetraspis I buy. I still haven't decided, but I really like the look of your cross! I think this was a great buy, and one I'd love to have in my collection!

    Thanks Jenn I really appreciate it I will recommend you to buy this species as they are free flowering, easy to take care like bellina, pretty smell too it's has so many bars variation and color, as an orchids collector I will try to get as much variations found in this species , so far I never seen many bars most of them that I found very little, anything crossing with Phal micholitzhii always may end up with alba form through my observation Phal. micholitzhii is powerful bleaching agent.You can see my tetraspis collection below:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mauraec View Post
    It's there, but very faint yellow markings - perhaps a different tetraspis parent would have had the color break through in the cross - I have no idea - Phal tetraspis has always bewildered me anyway.
    Hi Maura don't confused your self mother nature always very great give us color variations and make us think for the better thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainal abidin View Post
    Thanks Jenn I really appreciate it I will recommend you to buy this species as they are free flowering, easy to take care like bellina, pretty smell too it's has so many bars variation and color, as an orchids collector I will try to get as much variations found in this species , so far I never seen many bars most of them that I found very little, anything crossing with Phal micholitzhii always may end up with alba form through my observation Phal. micholitzhii is powerful bleaching agent.You can see my tetraspis collection below:
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    Fascinating!! I have a micholitzii that I'm looking to cross with several of my other species phals. The micholitzii seems to be a nice, strong grower, although my plant isn't quite blooming size yet... I expect flowers within the next year, though. Your tetraspis collection is lovely. I'm a bit confused as to the difference between a tetraspis and a speciosa. Are the names interchangeable? I often find tetraspis/speciosa plants that are identical that are listed separately under the two different names, and I find it very confusing.

    I see how your tetraspis flowers don't have a lot of color to them. Hmmm.... I wonder why? I see quite a lot of them with bold red coloring. Many have sepals or petals that are entirely deep red.

    Here's a couple of examples of the kind I'm particularly fond of:

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    I'm wondering how much of the color would come through when crossed with one of these!

    Thanks so much for also explaining that the micholitzii functions as a "bleaching agent." I will keep that in mind when I implement my breeding plans! Then I won't be too terribly disappointed when I don't see certain bold markings coming through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrchidAddict View Post
    Fascinating!! I have a micholitzii that I'm looking to cross with several of my other species phals. The micholitzii seems to be a nice, strong grower, although my plant isn't quite blooming size yet... I expect flowers within the next year, though. Your tetraspis collection is lovely. I'm a bit confused as to the difference between a tetraspis and a speciosa. Are the names interchangeable? I often find tetraspis/speciosa plants that are identical that are listed separately under the two different names, and I find it very confusing.

    I see how your tetraspis flowers don't have a lot of color to them. Hmmm.... I wonder why? I see quite a lot of them with bold red coloring. Many have sepals or petals that are entirely deep red.

    Here's a couple of examples of the kind I'm particularly fond of:

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    I'm wondering how much of the color would come through when crossed with one of these!

    Thanks so much for also explaining that the micholitzii functions as a "bleaching agent." I will keep that in mind when I implement my breeding plans! Then I won't be too terribly disappointed when I don't see certain bold markings coming through.
    Hi Jenn I'm so happy to hear your micholitzhii doing quite well under your care I'm hoping that you will get a good flower shape/size, later when do crossing of course the offspring will be excellent, looking forward your photo when in bloom.Not only you confused I also blur plus plus I still remember a couple of years ago speciosa still under tetraspis at that time the taxonomist described as tetraspis variety speciosa also variety christiana to me the smell/ fragrances is no different between each other except the red color on the petals.Crossing between speciosa not all the offspring having all the petals are red out of 100 maybe 3 to 5 plants having all petals red the rest maybe incomplete or even all white based on my observation one of the nursery here.Well the speciosa that you show us so nice thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainal abidin View Post
    I still remember a couple of years ago speciosa still under tetraspis at that time the taxonomist described as tetraspis variety speciosa also variety christiana to me the smell/ fragrances is no different between each other except the red color on the petals. Well the speciosa that you show us so nice thanks for sharing.
    So, let me see if I can get this straight. The tetraspis is the one that's mostly white with barring on the petals? And the speciosa is the one that has petals/sepals that are solid red? Is that how they're differentiated? I'm still really confused, and that's another reason I haven't acquired either a tetraspis or a speciosa yet.

    I want to make sure I know what I'm getting and that I don't by the wrong plant for my breeding plans! Does anyone else have an easy way to tell them apart? Or perhaps someone could refer me to a helpful article on the topic of tetraspis vs. speciosa?

    Thanks, friends! Hope you're all having a great day!

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    I'm still not sure I have this figured out... I was searching for examples of speciosa vs. tetraspis, and I came across this pic here, which is clearly labeled as a tetraspis, but which appears to be a speciosa if we're using the amount of red on the petals to be a discerning factor. Any thoughts?

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    Jenn - look up some of Zain's posts on his phals from last year - he had one plant that looked a lot like this one.

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