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    hi everyone,

    this is actually my first bellina, bought as a seedling of bellina 'blue' but unfortunately seems like a normal bellina. However i got a opinion saying this is not a pure bellina.
    just needed some second opinion regarding this if it is a bellina or a hybrid. many thanks in advance
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    I am not a expert at this but looks to me like a bellina or closest hybrid.

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    The shape of the flower is almost an equilateral triangle which, for some "experts", could be an indication of the influence of Phalaenopsis violacea.
    Phalaenopsis bellina flower shape (unselected, "wild type") is usually an isosceles triangle with a narrow basis.
    Maybe a Phalaenopsis Samera ? But, whatever it may be, it's a beautiful flower.
    This is only my opinion and it is certainly debatable. I'm not an expert...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eorchids View Post
    The shape of the flower is almost an equilateral triangle which, for some "experts", could be an indication of the influence of Phalaenopsis violacea.
    Phalaenopsis bellina flower shape (unselected, "wild type") is usually an isosceles triangle with a narrow basis.
    Maybe a Phalaenopsis Samera ? But, whatever it may be, it's a beautiful flower.
    This is only my opinion and it is certainly debatable. I'm not an expert...
    many thanks for your opinion, i guess i can still remember it is you that pointed this out in one of the threads a year or two ago. agree with what you mentioned but nowadays most the selected form of bellina is equilateral, almost round in shape.
    Many thanks for your opinion, greatly appreciated


    the wild form bellina, the isosceles, here we call it resemblance of the chinese word 'fire' or 火。

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    My pleasure, Ian.

    Quote Originally Posted by catasetum-ian View Post
    the wild form bellina, the isosceles, here we call it resemblance of the chinese word 'fire' or 火。
    Thanks for this information.
    You're right, I think it's me. I have not changed my mind about it. You're right too, modern selected forms of bellina are equilateral but this is not my preference by far...

    Here are my favorite bellina forms. Unfortunately, I lost them when I lost 2/3 of my Phal in 2008 :

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    Quote Originally Posted by eorchids View Post
    My pleasure, Ian.


    Thanks for this information.
    You're right, I think it's me. I have not changed my mind about it. You're right too, modern selected forms of bellina are equilateral but this is not my preference by far...

    Here are my favorite bellina forms. Unfortunately, I lost them when I lost 2/3 of my Phal in 2008
    sorry to hear about your lost and thanks for sharing the pic. lovely bellina, i love the one on the right of the pic. thanks!

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    Whatever it is, still a very nice bellina in order to get a perfect flat petals cross breeding is unavoidable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eorchids View Post
    The shape of the flower is almost an equilateral triangle which, for some "experts", could be an indication of the influence of Phalaenopsis violacea.
    Phalaenopsis bellina flower shape (unselected, "wild type") is usually an isosceles triangle with a narrow basis.
    Maybe a Phalaenopsis Samera ? But, whatever it may be, it's a beautiful flower.
    This is only my opinion and it is certainly debatable. I'm not an expert...
    I concur with Eric - most probably a Samera. A lot of confusion occurred from the early days when bellina was called the Borneo violacea, until it became a separate species in its own right. There was a lot of interbreeding done by our nurseries and breeders, between the 2 forms and they were all called violacea. I remember I got a compot from one of these pioneer phal breeders (Michael Ooi) in late 1960s labelled violacea 'Malayan' x violacea 'Borneo'. I remember that most that I was able to bloom were more roundish in shape than the typical 'isoceles'-triangular' bellina. Later when bellina attained species status itself many of us called this cross a bellina because the form was more 'desirable' than the typical bellina, and therefore more valuable. Later selfings and intrabreeding may have contributed to the acceptance of this roundish form as a bellina . I have seen many jungle-collected bellina but none are of the roundish type as compared to the 'domesticated' form. Eric's first picture of his bellina is about as full a form of bellina as the best jungle-collected ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zainal abidin View Post
    Whatever it is, still a very nice bellina in order to get a perfect flat petals cross breeding is unavoidable.
    Quote Originally Posted by catttan View Post
    I concur with Eric - most probably a Samera. A lot of confusion occurred from the early days when bellina was called the Borneo violacea, until it became a separate species in its own right. There was a lot of interbreeding done by our nurseries and breeders, between the 2 forms and they were all called violacea. I remember I got a compot from one of these pioneer phal breeders (Michael Ooi) in late 1960s labelled violacea 'Malayan' x violacea 'Borneo'. I remember that most that I was able to bloom were more roundish in shape than the typical 'isoceles'-triangular' bellina. Later when bellina attained species status itself many of us called this cross a bellina because the form was more 'desirable' than the typical bellina, and therefore more valuable. Later selfings and intrabreeding may have contributed to the acceptance of this roundish form as a bellina . I have seen many jungle-collected bellina but none are of the roundish type as compared to the 'domesticated' form. Eric's first picture of his bellina is about as full a form of bellina as the best jungle-collected ones.
    many thanks for the clarification. yes indeed, in most of the orchid events, many of the award winning bellinas are the domesticated form

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    Quote Originally Posted by eorchids View Post
    The shape of the flower is almost an equilateral triangle which, for some "experts", could be an indication of the influence of Phalaenopsis violacea.
    Phalaenopsis bellina flower shape (unselected, "wild type") is usually an isosceles triangle with a narrow basis.
    Maybe a Phalaenopsis Samera ? But, whatever it may be, it's a beautiful flower.
    This is only my opinion and it is certainly debatable. I'm not an expert...
    Thank you Eric. learnt something new today. next time I see a belina. I would remember this.

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