Encyclia andendocarpa and Encyclia Orchid Jungle

[Cjcorner]

It is Encyclia time in my backyard. I have several plants and they are all either in bloom or in spike. The first of these two; the "andendocarpa", was purchased from a reputable Encyclia vendor in 2010. For some reason I can find not one piece of information on it, not even on Orchid Wiz or the Royal Horticultural website. I emailed the vendor and they sent back two words, Mexican Species. So, does anyone know anything about the name of this plant?

[panam]

I'll bet it smells good at your house, Connie! These are really nice.

[Dorsetman]

I have Carl Withner's wonderful set "The Cattleyas and their relatives - in Six Parts" ( except that he then wrote a seventh one...) He deals with it, in Vol V, page 93.
"The flowers of this species are unusual in the genus Encyclia; they are the largest, and are in clear rosy lavender magenta tones, instead of the usual yellow-green-brown mixture" ( He then mentions one or two others which have such colours and explains why this is different). It was called Epidendrum nemorale - maybe a more familiar name ? The name change is based on the usual rules of priority. Nemorale means of the groves and woods, whereas adenocaulum means glandular covered stems, This makes the flower stalks rough - a diagnostic feature I should think ?In fact the great orchidist Lindley, called this verrucosum , which has the same meaning. Should be 8-10 flowers on a scape longer than the leaves. Sepals and petals can reach 50mm. Comes from dry oak and pine forests.

Hope all this helps Connie !

[Cjcorner]

Yes it did...Thank You! I was really upset at the flower count. It still isn't the best but at least I understand the thin little spikes with a handful of flowers. I will see if I can find it under the old name...great info, thanks again.

I have Carl Withner's wonderful set "The Cattleyas and their relatives - in Six Parts" ( except that he then wrote a seventh one...) He deals with it, in Vol V, page 93.
"The flowers of this species are unusual in the genus Encyclia; they are the largest, and are in clear rosy lavender magenta tones, instead of the usual yellow-green-brown mixture" ( He then mentions one or two others which have such colours and explains why this is different). It was called Epidendrum nemorale - maybe a more familiar name ? The name change is based on the usual rules of priority. Nemorale means of the groves and woods, whereas adenocaulum means glandular covered stems, This makes the flower stalks rough - a diagnostic feature I should think ?In fact the great orchidist Lindley, called this verrucosum , which has the same meaning. Should be 8-10 flowers on a scape longer than the leaves. Sepals and petals can reach 50mm. Comes from dry oak and pine forests.

Hope all this helps Connie !

[catttan]

So beautiful and your place must smell heavenly.

[Brutal_Dreamer]

Such pretty blooms, especially the Encyclia Orchid Jungle!

cheers,
BD

[gnathaniel]

Beautiful, Connie! Both lovely but your Orchid Jungle is really stunning, definitely one of my favorite Encyclia hybrids.

The species is probably Encyclia adenocarpa (w/out the extra 'n' and 'd'). Encyclia adenocaula (aka Epi. nemorale) is also from Mexico but looks very different.

[Cjcorner]

Beautiful, Connie! Both lovely but your Orchid Jungle is really stunning, definitely one of my favorite Encyclia hybrids.

The species is probably Encyclia adenocarpa (w/out the extra 'n' and 'd'). Encyclia adenocaula (aka Epi. nemorale) is also from Mexico but looks very different.

It is so close to Adenocarpa, with one tiny exception; the side lobes on Adenocarpa are smaller and a different shape than this one. I'm not sure if it's a hybrid, or just an unusual looking Adenocarpa.

[gnathaniel]

Hmm... good point about the side lobes, but I don't think they put your plant outside the range of variety in adenocarpa. While yours doesn't look exactly like the IOSPE photo, pictures at a couple of online herbaria and various other websites are more in line with how your plant looks.

[Cjcorner]

Hmm... good point about the side lobes, but I don't think they put your plant outside the range of variety in adenocarpa. While yours doesn't look exactly like the IOSPE photo, pictures at a couple of online herbaria and various other websites are more in line with how your plant looks.

I sort of figured it was a minor spelling error, but was shocked at how curt the vendor was when I asked. I will probably change the tag to adenocarpa...I agree the side lobes aren't a major thing.