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Peloric ?

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    Some may feel these should be in the pictorial section. While I am sharing the pictures with all, I have a question about peloric flowers. The definition I have of a peloric is, "An abnormal formation in which the petals resemble the lip in some fashion." So are these flowers considered peloric? Has the meaning of the word "peloric" bcome so broad as to include any anomaly of the flower? And should they flower the same way in subsequent years? Is this "abnormality" a clonal variation, mutation of genetic material or ?????

    Consider this your scientific quiz for the day...and no cheating. This is NOT an open book quiz!










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    I consider a peloric a 'peloric' if it has any genetic abnormality that is expressed in the flowers...whether it be in the lip or not.

    The phal in the picture is genetically peloric and will continue to bloom as such. It is Baldan's Kaleidoscope 'Three Lips'. Sometimes, a plant will have a little 'hiccup' and bloom peloric, but then bloom normal again. It depends on the plant.

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    Clint, are you saying that the specific pic I have posted is a clonal variation of a BK called 'Three Lips'? I have 2 or 3 BK's some are darker in color while some fade with age. I have read that BK 'Hausermann's Candy x Daryl Lockhart' is a nonfading variety???

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    Hey Doc, here is a link to a nice article on Peloric Orchids called: Excessive Lip Service: Peloric Orchids, by Alex Challis

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    it is a genetic problem, there were a few in nature but most of these have increased secondary to the over mericloning, leading to genetic mistakes. Some are very nice others not as nice.

    some people use peloric when abomination should be would be a better term

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    Yes. It is. I have seen this very clone in person. Some pelorics are mericloned if they are interesting. There is C. M. Fitch 'Three Lips' and Baldan's 'Three Lips'. If you mericlone a peloric plant, you get a peloric plant My Baldan's Kaleidoscope 'Golden Treasure' fades after a while.


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    Clint, are you saying that the specific pic I have posted is a clonal variation of a BK called 'Three Lips'? I have 2 or 3 BK's some are darker in color while some fade with age. I have read that BK 'Hausermann's Candy x Daryl Lockhart' is a nonfading variety???

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    Thanks...and yes, one of my BK's fades within days while another holds its color for a very long time....

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    I think that they are awful and you should send them down here in the deep south to be tortured till they bloom again.
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    Will a Peloric pollen create Peloric bloom when we cross it with a different plant?

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    Maybe..maybe not. Genetics is a very strange thing. Is the peloric trait dominant or recessive? Is there Chromosome breakage or some other sort of gene mutation that won't allow said plant to reproduce? The possibilities are really quite endless.

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    Will a Peloric pollen create Peloric bloom when we cross it with a different plant?

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