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Phrag delassandroi x Phrag longifolium

This is a discussion on Phrag delassandroi x Phrag longifolium within the Paphiopedilum, Phragmipedium, Cypripedium IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; give jack his jacket....damn damn damnnnnn im now on my first 2 Phrags i got ...

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    give jack his jacket....damn damn damnnnnn im now on my first 2 Phrags i got for my bday Sedenii & Schroederae......i wish dey could hold as much blooms as urs....truely spectacular

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    give jack his jacket....damn damn damnnnnn im now on my first 2 Phrags i got for my bday sedenii & Schroederae......i wish dey could hold as much blooms as urs....truely spectacular

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    Edmund! I have just seen this. I must add another wow to all the others. I was about to write YOU MUST SHOW THIS, O GREAT ONE! but then Dorsetman did it for me! (He is terrific.) I am so pleased you posted it on here for all to see and to tell you that you have something uniquely awesome!

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    Many thanks Pindar for your comments. I can't believe that so many of you think this plant is something special.I have been keeping various types of orchids for over 40 years and now I think that this plant has made it all worthwhile. I hope that I will be able to meet some of you --or converse on this site---in the not too distant future. How do you put flowers in front of the RHS? Sent my joining sub of to the Paph society!, Thanks again. Ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phraggy View Post
    I will join the Paph Society as you say. Your words have pleased me so much as I have shown this plant in all its glory and was luckky to get a second card.. Thanks again Ed
    WEll I'm glad you will do that ; actually , although I was a founder member, and committee member/treasurer etc for years, I am no longer a member myself, since the meetings are too far for me to travel in my old age . But I do miss them. Pity is that when I lived in the Midlands, the meetings were in the South, and since I have lived in the South, the meetings have gone to the Midlands ... sods law !

    As to your phrag, two more comments - I have heard from a couple of people who have seen it in its glory- I hear you got a first in class at The North of England meeting - well deserved. There must have been some good plants there for you not to do better still ( best hybrid etc etc).
    And your comment about feeding is fascinating ; there is a story going about that Phrags can stand, like, and in fact need very high rates of feed. Andy Phillips, who had one of the best private collections in the South of England, and probably in the Paph Society too, at least he did some years ago, uses 1000 EC at every feed,. I tried that for a few months, and started to get leaf tip burn, so diluted quite a lot. And you use hardly any. There are indeed many different ways to kill the cat, as the old proverb has it.

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    Beautiful phrag, Ed! WOW.

    cheers,
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    Congratulation, Ed, on your First! You will undoubtedly have many more in your future. I wonder if you could post photos of your greenhouse phrag setup. I am still trying to work out how best to keep them thriving and I've invested in an enormous orchid house (indoors - a complicated converted reptile tank about 5' x 6' x 3') and I'm trying to plan the environmental system for it.

    These are some shots of a Phrag called Cahaba Miss Priss (Prissy ( [St. Ouen x besseae] [St. Ouen = Hanne Popow x besseae] [Hanne Popow = schlimii x besseae] x boissierianum), a young hybrid from a sadly no longer operating nursery/lab where the hybridizer, Earl Bailey, was working with longifolium gracile and boisserianum in order to bring out color and shape in the phrags while decreasing their otherwise unwieldy size. You will note that there is no longifolium in this hybrid, but the boissierianum seems to give a longifolium=type shape.

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    One of the reasons I raise this (and saints forbid that I should ever question the EYOF) is the significant amount of pink in your photo; I'm not aware that any variety of besseae shows that much pink - hence my question about schlimii influence. As for the name of the hybrid, most members here know that I detest taxonomy, but I have become entangled in your particular plant, and so have followed some leads. In particular, Geoff Hands (Dorsetman) has given me a few lessons in the art of classifying and reclassifying orchids!

    In 1996, Dodson and Gruss published an article in Orchidee describing Phrag. delassandroi (named after the gentleman who found it) as a species. In 1997, the inimitable Mr. Cribb became involved and declared it to be a variety of besseae - so, unless someone has challenged it since then (and, personally, I think its shape is significantly different from any besseae or besseae var. flava that I've seen), it is, in fact, Phrag Eric Young. I might venture a guess that it was hybridized with a 4N somewhere along the line. The simultaneous blooming I cannot explain; I have seen photos of your phrag. on other websites and know that it has been blooming since at least early fall, so, if it was recently in condition to show for judging and winning a first, then this is truly a remarkable plant. Whether it's Phrag, Nicholle Tower (dalessandroi x longifolium) is probably the subject of some argument at the RHS, or elsewhere.
    I wonder if anyone has thought of hybridizing any clones of this flasking with Prag. kovachii - interesting thought.

    In any event, it's truly magnificent - I hope you occasionally display it in a great place of honor in your home.
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    Great shots Maura. Love the luminous quality of the photos.

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    I like your thinking, Maura... P kovachii needs a bit of finessing!

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    Thanks, Yew and Igor - I hadn't meant at all to highjack Edmund's thread - I've just been obsessing over his phrag so much that I've been thinking about it in all different ways. I added my own photos just to show the general similarity in shape and color of one of mine that has different species from Ed's hybrid, but some of the same general characteristics - except the multifloral aspect, of course! As for finessing kovacchii, I have had an Eric Young/kovachii hybrid with massive blooms much the same color of Edmund's (I gave it to Jason/cakedaddy because I feared it would decline further in my care), but flowered very much sequentially - 4 blooms in all, and was (is) a fairly mature plant - probably nearly 10 year's old. I got it from Earl Bailey, who got it from Norito Hasegawa, who, I believe, got it from a Peruvian nursery that did some of the first kovachii hybrids that were allowed to be exported under CITES. The shape, while better than the average triple and somewhat deflated balloon-like shape of kovachii, shows little longifolium. For those of you who may not have seen it last winter, this is one of the photos - I can't remember which I posted originally:

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