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almenii X holdenii

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    This is another of the paphs I got in the group mentioned already. The dorsal really lays down and I am not sure if this is intended or a, oh I HATE to use the four letter F word.....

    FLAW?

    Check out the warts on the sepals. BIG and dark.

    What do you think of the deep, dark blood red color?

    I did not take time to look for pics of the cross parents. I will if I get a chance, but feel free to chip in if you can.

    NOT currently in bloom.
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    Hi Steven,

    Here's the low down on that lovely vini:

    Despite the latin names, almenii and holdenii are hybrids, and should be capitalized. I didn't think they allowed latin for naming hybrids, but so be it.

    Almenii = (Alma Gevaert x Holdenii)
    Holdenii = (callosum x Maudiae)

    So yours is 62.5% callosum and 37.5% lawrenceanum.

    And it has a name! It's Paph. Eric Meng.

    That's all she wrote.

    McJulie

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    So it is written, so it shall be.

    Thanks McPaphDictionary

    I have quite a few paphs with Alma Gavaert (spell check) in them from this source.

    But what about the "lazy" dorsal. Is there anything in its breeding that would bring this out and/or enhance it or do I have to live with that four letter word? Maybe it will do better next time?

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    How long has it been open? It may still be working its way up slowly.

    First bloomings are often inferior to what you'll get later on. Jason Chang has a trick where he props up the back of the pot with a pencil, to try and trick the opening bud to pull the dorsal up even more. Then when you remove the pencil it's fully deployed. I haven't been too successful with that, however.

    It's not peloric, it's just a bit lazy. Maybe a touch more water as it's opening would help. I think you'd be fine next time around. It's a great color, regardless!

    Alma Gevaert is used heavily in the breeding of these maudiae types. Both the vinis and the albas.

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    It is not currently in bloom. The Incantation is the only paph I currently have that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoOrchid View Post
    oh I HATE to use the four letter F word......
    now, now...

    you do realise that this is the "natural" stance of the dorsal sepal, after all, it's purpose is to cover the pouch so that when it rains, water does not go into the pouch.

    however, we humans are so silly that we would prefer that the dorsal is upright... so, what do we do?

    well, as Julie mentioned, a good trick is to tilt the pot forward so that the opening flower is facing the ground... it'll trick the plant into thinking it needs to set itself up a bit more.... leave the plant in this position for about three days after it has fully opened to set and then Voila!!! A lovely dorsal which is upright!

    Now, this flower... it is very dark! The colour is totally intense so it's a keeper!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bench72 View Post
    now, now...

    you do realise that this is the "natural" stance of the dorsal sepal, after all, it's purpose is to cover the pouch so that when it rains, water does not go into the pouch.
    Oh, I think I sort of knew that. That is why I put the word in the quote marks. But you know how JUDGES are. No matter what the natural plant looks like, if it does not meet THEIR estimation of what THEY think it should be like........ well, you might as well throw it in the garbage!!!!

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    No, no! Not throw it in the garbage. Find a loving home for your poor, mishapen freak. Send it to moi!

    Just a thought.

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    hehe, That is my moto: Don't ask, don't get. Too bad it only works some of the time.

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