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Strange Phal.

This is a discussion on Strange Phal. within the Phalaenopsis, Oncidium, & Intergenerics IN BLOOM forums, part of the Orchid Photography category; pHaL *AuTuMn SuN @ lEmOn BriGhT *sOlaR mAx# tnerffid fo dnik ....

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    ~~~ Can you hear that Twilight Zone music playing? ~~~

    Oh my, Gin! I can only offer that some growers actually have "Peloric Phal" sections for sale. You could make a lot on this frightened fellow!

    Julie

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    oooh I like that! nice to have something kind of different....

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    Oh, tim, you're so weird!

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    Intriguing peloric blooms. The flowers look like they are terrified so they have to cover their eyes and hide their face! Last weekend, I went to an orchid show last weekend and there was one vendor selling these peloric phals but they are purple instead of yellow like this. I was tempted but walked away, not buying any. Maybe I should have bought it. I had a peloric phal before but it was never quite happy. So even though I like these guys, I always think twice before buying them. So how do you grow this baby of yours, Gin?
    Cheers. Hoa.

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    Its a peloric mutation due to over mericloning of meristematic tissue. When the Taiwanese growers start mericloning the mericlones, all sorts of mutations start occuring.

    For example, all of the harlequin Phalaenopsis are offspring of P. Golden Peoker. The original plant of P. Golden Peoker has small dots all over the flowers. After the mutation occurred during mericloning, the large "harlequin" blotches/spots began to appear. I believe the first mutated form of P. Golden Peoker 'BL'. Soon after the forms 'ES', 'Nan Chou', 'Ebony Queen' and a few others we are aware of appeared. In fact, I have an plant of 'ES' or 'Nan Chou' (I'd have to look at the tag for certain) that is reblooming on an inflorescence from last year. The flowers on this inflorescence are completely different from the blooms this plant produced last year. This clone will be named 'Martel'. Back to the subject.

    Anyway, this pleoric form is frequently found in the Phal. species, P. equestris. A close as 5 - 10 years back, it was rare to find peloric forms of Phal. hybrids. However; due to the chemicals use to create meristems or mericlones, pleoricism is induced frequently. I have a outstanding peloric forms of P. Brother Digger and P. Brother Lawrence to name a few. I saw at a local Home Depo a peloric P. Sogo Mandolin...a beautiful peloric harlequin. I believe we will continue to see more pelorics with the continued over chemical stimulation of meristematic tissue to produce Phals. for commercial sales.

    Just some thoughts...

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    Interesting information , Now that you mentioned it , this one had normal blooms last year , the inflorescence was a lot shorter than it is now and appeared under the leaves more like a species I have . I think it came from a box store .... That figures I bought a flask of equestris a few years ago , one parent was a peloric and one an alba all the plants have turned out normal ended up with 60 plus all the same . Gin

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    Phalphanatic,
    Woa! Great info!
    That is what I am afraid of from my experience. These developmental mutations that give rise to peloric flowers could have other adverse effects of the vitality of the plants. Many years ago when I still had this phal, I noticed that my peloric phal was more temperamental than other phals in the collection. What is your experience with them? I assume with those recent advances and more successes in creating peloric phals using chemicals during the meristeming process, they must be able to weed out problematic clones and select for the most vigorous plants for further mass production? Since they can meristem again the clones carrying these mutations, the genetic basis for these mutations must be quite stable.
    Mutations that give rise to spots/patterns I believe should have minimal impact on the plant's overall strength so they should be OK for the most part. I am surprised to hear that the flowers is different this year from last year in one of your plants. That suggests genetic instability to me.

    Cheers. Hoa.

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    Hi Gin,
    If that was what you observed with your flask plant experience, it is clear that this peloric trait is recessive. So if you could do sibling-cross or self the plants from this particular batch, I believe some will come out peloric and alba, some will be peloric only and some will be normal, and some will be alba only (it also appears to me that the alba trait is also recessive!).
    Cheers. Hoa.

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    Great post, Phalphanatic! But I realize how little I understand of the meristem cloning process. How does it work?

    Julie

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