Non Registered Plants at Shows.

[angela]

Can anyone tell me what happens if a plant which has a name, but not registered anywhere, Is entered in competitive Shows ?

[Ron-NY]

Angela, are you asking if it should be awarded at a show?

do you know the cross as well as the unregistered name of the orchid? Do you know the originator of the cross?

If an orchid receives an AOS award and the plant is not registered, a 'provisional award' is issued until the plant is registered.

Then steps would have to be taken to get it registered before the award is issued

[pavel]

However, for said "unregistered name" orchid I believe you would have to at least know the names of the parents if one hopes to get it awarded even provisionally. Some shows will still give a ribbon award (1st place, etc) without such though they will treat it as a NoID but not any of the "higher" awards such as HCCs or AOSs.

[angela]

Thanks for responding.
I know the names of all the plants. Some I know the Cross and Originator, and others, only the originator.
I will take my chances and be quite happy with a ribbon Award for any of these.

[mauraec]

Actually, Angela, I entered a vinicolor Paph. for AOS judging last year and it was an unregistered cross. It won an HCC (78) and then I had to register a grex name with the RHS, and choose the clonal name for the award. It's a fun experience to name your own cross!

[Ron-NY]

Yes, If you know the cross and originator, first step was to see if you can get originator to register it or give you permission to register it.
If you don't know the originator you can let the RHS know you tried to find them without success and register the cross yourself.

[angela]

Thanks to Maura & Ron-NY

[pavel]

Actually, Angela, I entered a vinicolor Paph. for AOS judging last year and it was an unregistered cross. It won an HCC (78) ...

So was the plant actually a NoID? Or just a cross that had not previously been named?

[mauraec]

So was the plant actually a NoID? Or just a cross that had not previously been named?

No, Paul, not a NOID, just a cross that had not been named - many of the hybridizing nurseries send out countless paphs (the only genus I really know in this area) that they have tagged with the parentage and therefore id'd them, but have not yet bothered to register a grex name for the cross. I assume that decisions are made at the top when new hybrids are tried out that certain crosses just don't look like they're going to be winners - if they did, the cross would come as Hsinying whatever, or Hilo whatever. Of course, when a new bloom is a stunner, they register it and then take it on the road to award shows. As far as I know, the only way to name an orchid hybrid is through the RHS, and once a certain cross is named, it's official. I do sometimes see Pat. Pending on some tags, and I'm not clear what that's about.

[plucker]

You are supposed to flower a plant before registering it.

If a nursery is selling seedlings, they probably are waiting for the flower too. If the flowers are exceptional, then they would be keen to register and continue with the breeding program. They would most likely want to put their preffered name on the plant.

If the flowers are poor then they wouldn't go through with the paperwork.

You can still give it a name for your sake i.e. Orchid A X Orchid B 'your name'.